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LEGENDS => General => Topic started by: JGRacing on October 05, 2010, 02:40:39 pm
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Here is some information from Southwest Missouri Racing.com on the nationals weekend. Not sure if this schedule is correct, or the one previously sent out where gates open at 8 AM. You may want to verify times if you are headed down for the race.
http://www.southwestmissouriracing.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26888
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Springfield Raceway officials announced today that Neosho based SafeRacer.com has signed on to sponsor the Legend Cars Dirt Nationals at the Springfield Raceway. Legend Car teams from all over the country will emerge to the Ozarks for the 14th Running of the SafeRacer.com Legend Dirt Nationals on October 14th- 16th. LegendCars launched the careers of NASCAR stars Dale Earnhardt Jr., Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Reed Sorenson, David Regan and Joey Logano. Legend Cars are 5/8 scale racecars with fiberglass bodies that resemble 30’s – 40’s style coupes and sedans and are powered by 1,200cc Yamaha motorcycle engines.. Earlier this year Z-Max put up $1,000,000 in prize money for the Legend Cars at Charlotte Motor Speedway.These cars are spec cars that can race either Dirt or Asphalt with no major changes.
This will be the 1st time ever for SpringfieldRaceway to host this high profile event as over 60 plus teams from all over are expected to compete.SpringfieldRaceway races legends weekly with an average of over 16 cars competing and excellent side by side action.This will be the 3rd time Missouri has hosted the DirtCar Nationals as LucasOil Speedway in Wheatland and MidwaySpeedway in Lebanon have also played host.Last season the event was held at Ray Everham's dirt track.Classes competing in the Legends division will be Young-Lions,Semi-Pro,Masters and Pro division.Legends compete weekly at the Quick-Quarter and provide 2-3 wide racing.Springfield's Jason Rayle won the 2009 track championship while Joplin's Justin Comer took home the honors for 2010
SafeRacer.Com in Neosho,Missouri the Sponsor for the event is the internet's number 1 source for Racing Safety Equipment.The large storeroom in Neosho( 27,000 Square Foot Facility) can get you your gear quickly and at the lowest price available and offer Free Shipping for purchases over $99.They carry over $1,000,000 of product in inventory.You can contact them at info@saferacer.com or visit the Website at WWW.Saferacer.Com
This Special event will start on Thursday Evening October 14th with an open practice night for not only LegendCars but also any oval track cars.Tenative plans at this time also include a media event and possibly a Media race.
Pitgates open on Thursday at 4PM with an open practice to any cars any classes from 6-8:30.Pitpasses on Thursday evening will be $15
Friday Evening October 15th will feature Qualifying events and Races for the Legends along with a full program of Area FactoryStocks and MidWest Modifieds.Pitgates open Friday evening at 4PM with hotlaps starting for the legends at 5:45 and local classes to follow.heat races begin at 7PM and pitpasses are $30.This will mark the first visit this season by the area FactoryStocks and they will compete in a $300 to win feature and $40 to start the main event.Raceceivers are recommended.Midwest Modz will compete in a $125 to win feature while it will pay $30 to start
Sat Night October 16th will feature the final events for the LegendCars and the Championship features along with full programs for SportModifieds and PureStocks.Sat the Pitgates open at 1:15 with hotlaps to begin at 4PM.Heat races will begin at 5PM.The SportMods will battle it out in a $300 to win and $40 to start feature while the PureStocks go wheel to wheel in a $100 to win and $30 to start feature.PitPasses will be $30 on Sat.
More information on the SpringfieldRaceway can be found by visiting the website at WWW.SpringfieldRaceway.Com or contacting Jerry Hoffman at 417-673-7426
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Well, thats completely different than what Darrel Krentz emailed me ???
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The big nationals for Legends yet a sideline show for other classes
hmmmm
treated like dirt.... wait a minute, this is dirt life
~ Gimpster ~
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Wow this sucks...... Im already not liking this place ,why are they running other classes ?
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From what the rumored cost is to pay 600/USLC to host the Nationals, they probably need to make every penny they can. Surprised theres not more on the schedule
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The Nationals at Big Diamond were the best over the last four years. They had a bomber race but it was after everything was done. It was also by far the best surface that I have ever raced on. Hope this year doesn't turn in to a "oh and the Legends are here too" kind of thing.
Scott
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Well if they couldnt afford it,shouldnt have had it there.you know now the legeds will be the side show,as at everyother race track.
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Midway Speedway a few years ago had a couple of local classes along with the nationals races. I was in the stands as a fan for that one and it would have been a pretty short night with just the legends features. In my opinion, if a couple of local classes get smore people in the seats that would not have gone to a legends only race and help cover part of the cost, where is the problem? Track prep has been good when I have been there, so I would not be too worried about it getting torn up by the other classes. Nothing in this makes me think that the legends cars are the support class for the modifieds and street stocks. The promoter/owner of the track is a fan of the legends cars so he is not going to take on the nationals then try to overshadow it with B-mods and street stocks. Wish that I was able to make it this year.
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The problem has been in the past is running classes and the track gets worn out or rutted up. I have no problem that a track owner makes money because if he didn't we would be there at all. It is just that this is “the” Nationals and would like to have the track to be in good shape for racing. I hope the track is as everyone has said and we will have fun. Hell for that matter we will have no matter what. See you all there.
Scott
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Fams arent going to pay to come see a Legends event, particularly one that the sanctioning body does nothing to promote. They have to have other classes to get people in the front gate.
The schedule I got from Darrel had us running first each night, so track condition shouldn't be an issue
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I guees it all comes down to ? it is what it is......and all we can do is make the best of it.Hell anything would be better then last years track.We are leaving tuesday so i guees we will see you guys when we get there .
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Its only 10 hours for me, so we're leaving at 5am Thursday morning.
We all have to race on the same track, so for better or worse, you're right, it is what it is.
Luckily I missed last year
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Well, the good news is the weather looks good as of now. I'm leaving Monday and taking my time because I'm a one man show and if I get there early I have family in town. I look forward to meeting everyone and some good racing. I have as much fun meeting everyone as I do racing (at least that is what I tell myself....LOL). If I miss someone, stop by my motorhome and drink a cold one to say hi. Really looking forward to this year. Seeya there.
Scott #77
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Has anyone heard where we are suppost to buy fuel at in Springfield?
Scott
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I haven't found anything yet. Hopefully they let us know before Thursday
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I got a email from Darrel today and he said that they would post it Monday.
Scott
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Since it doesn't look like there is going to be a livecast of the Dirt Nationals, is anyone going to take their laptop with them?
If so, Please post some results for us.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve I will have mine and do the best I can. I'm a one man show so the car will have to be ready first maybe at ight I can post some results.
Scott
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I will post results and pictures like I did in 2008.
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Thanks Jeff!
Looking forward to seeing how all my friends from legendsracer do at the Nationals.
Best Wishes on your return to legends cars!
Steve
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During a phone call with Mike Patrick today, to see if Camreon was ok after his flip at the asphalt nationals last night, Mike asked if I could physically run a feature. I said sure... but if I wreck it won't be pretty. Doc says my guts could 'splode.
Dang... I wish I was going !!
----- Gimpster -----
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Well the race yesterday showed that the track can take some abuse. I was down at Springfield and the track was under almost constant use from 2 until 9:30 with sunny 85+ weather. Along with legends, they had 3 classes of modifieds, I think two stock classes, and local police racing for charity. It got a little dusty and slick, so they put some water down, graded the track, and it was pretty good for the features. It got slick but was still driveable and never broke up. If the track can handle that abuse, next weekend with cooler weather and less cars should not be a problem.
While I am thinking of it, make sure that you go and look at the entrance and exits on the track before jumping in the car. The exit in turn 3 is especially hard to see from the driver's seat when you drive up over the banking and I managed to rip off a bumper last year hitting it wrong.
Hope everyone has fun and gets some good pictures. Wish I could be there.
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Has anyone heard where we are suppost to buy fuel at in Springfield?
Scott
The INEX approved fuel for the DIRT Nationals will be Caseys General Store premium located at 4124 West Chestnut, Springfield.
BFG or Federal tires will be allowed mounted in either direction.
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Here is a link to pics from the track photographer from this last Saturday to give you an idea of what the track looks like and how the surface progressed over the course of the night.
http://www.ryangillmorephotos.com/2010-Race-Photos-1/Springfield-Raceway-Saturday09/14120653_3kf24#1040958964_h9G8r
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I made it to Springfield today. I will go and check out the fuel spot tomorrow and let you know if there is any thing that we need to do. What is up with the Federal tire deal. It is a little late in the game to allow that I think. Not sure anyone will run them but it would have been nice to know before two days before.
Scott
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I was under the assumption you could run the Federal all year. I have a set that i am going to try since we have to use it next year.
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I made it to Springfield today. I will go and check out the fuel spot tomorrow and let you know if there is any thing that we need to do. What is up with the Federal tire deal. It is a little late in the game to allow that I think. Not sure anyone will run them but it would have been nice to know before two days before.
Scott
I think alot of guys are going to have them, I'm not, but heard a bunch of people bought them to try out at Nationals. Hopefully we can get an answer on if there is going to be grooving/siping, or just run them backwards. I would assume the latter since it was stated that BFGs and Feds could be run in either direction
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^If this is the tire that we will run i hope we just run them backwards. Would save work/time/money if that's all we have to do. Isn't the point of this series to keep costs down and have all the cars "the same?"
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All My Best To Everyone at Nationals!!!
Looking forward to seeing how everyone does.
Race Safe,
Steve
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Thanks Steve and we will keep you posted. As for the tires I didn't know that you could run federals. I do know that the BFG's have to be run with the white letters out. I talked with Darrel a while back and he said that they were trying the Federals with two groves around the center of the tires and running them backwards. I will say this though, this is the time (the Nationals) to let USLC know that we want a TRUE dirt tire. If we stic togeter as a group and let them know we might get a good tire for next year. OK I'm the soap box and really looking forward to meeting and makeing new friends here at Springfield. See ya soon.
Scott
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See you tomorrow night Scott, though not for long.
Leaving here at 5am tomorrow so it'll be early to bed for my niece (pit crew) and I
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Thanks Steve and we will keep you posted. As for the tires I didn't know that you could run federals. I do know that the BFG's have to be run with the white letters out. I talked with Darrel a while back and he said that they were trying the Federals with two groves around the center of the tires and running them backwards. I will say this though, this is the time (the Nationals) to let USLC know that we want a TRUE dirt tire. If we stic togeter as a group and let them know we might get a good tire for next year. OK I'm the soap box and really looking forward to meeting and makeing new friends here at Springfield. See ya soon.
Scott
It says on the front page of the USLC webpage that the
"BFG or Federal tires will be allowed mounted in either direction"
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Got here at Springfield yesterday and the track looks like it is going to be a lot of fun. It was still unturned from last week’s racing and I have to tell you, it looked like it was really rough. I’m hoping that they just had some moister or that it had some heavy big cars last week. If they get this track right it could be as much fun as one could have with your cloths on…..LOL. I didn’t make it to the fuel spot yesterday but one of the North Dakota driver said that they only had regular and super which was on 87 octane and 10% ethanol. I might wait until they are sure that is the fuel that we are going to run. Best of all it is practice day and I can’t wait to get some track time. I will update more later today.
Scott
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If you have some time to kill down there, check out the giant Bass Pro Shop. It is pretty cool. Also for history buffs, Wilson's Creek Battlefield is a short drive from town.
The track took a lot of abuse but was still pretty good last weekend. In the link I posted with the pictures from last weekend, you can see how it progressed during the day and evening. Jerry will make sure that you guys have a good track.
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As of now the track is looking good. Jerry is a real nice guy and he is taking good care of us. Tech starts at 4pm local and practice at 6:30. The car count is low right now and hope more coming. I will post more as the day gets going.
Scott
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Well, first day of practice is done and the car seems OK. The track got very dry slick. There was lots of spins (I had a couple) but only one car got in the wall from what I saw. I was really busy so don’t have much of a update. There was no transponder so only times we got were from a stopwatch.
Scott
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Keep an eye on Cameron's channel on you tube
He normally posts in car vids
http://www.youtube.com/user/camds8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/camds8)
LOL one of the guys that helped me when I raced mini sprints helped out Cameron on the Minot Air Force Base
I'm not taking any credit there, just for the record, because Rickster didn't know everything I do to my cars......
Also, I shut down my message board from a rash of negativity and haters I was recieving messages from. That board is no longer on the net
Enjoy and hope to see ya around
~ Gimpster~
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Thanks for the video link. Makes almost feel like I am there. :)
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Cameron said the track is nice than 99% of the surfaces they raced on all year... keep up to date on the link to his you tube site for current races as he posts them
~ Gimpster ~
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Scott,
Any updates or thoughts on last nights heat races?
Steve
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I for one, am making no comment on anything that has gone on here.
Never seen anything like it in my life.
The track surface itself is nice though.
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I think what Jim is trying to say nicely is Darrel and Scott are really screwed up. We had practice and then qualifying and most of it went OK. When we got done with qualifying they never posted any times??? While we are standing waiting for sometimes they tell us to just go get strapped in and go to the staging area and they would line us up there. When we got there they had no clue who went where. I don’t know for sure but I’m not sure they got any times from qualifying. I will put it this way we went to bed last night and never saw any times from qualifying. They heats went off but the S/P there was 6 cars in heat one. 8 cars in heat two and 4 cars in heat three. To say there was some logistic issues would be an understatement.
As for me I was in heat two and started 6th and made it to the front and won. I can only hope my day goes as good as yesterday. There was a lot of equipment torn up yesterday. I will try and post a line up when we get one.
Scott
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I have been fighting electrical issues since we arrrived and have almost no practice. Finally figure it out last night right before qualifying, 2 spark plug boots had cuts in them. I went out and set fast time and the car is great. Spun myself in the and got the RF tore off, its fixed and I will be ready to go.
The management of this race is horrib le, I hope they get things straightened out tonight.
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Sounds like a mess.
Congratulations on your heat race win Scott!
Congratulations to Jeff on fast time!
Steve
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On my way home give me a day or two to get a good post but I finished 3rd so it was a good weekend.
Scott
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If anyone has any video please post. Thanks
Scott
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The Nationals didn't go quite as planned but I qualified fastest out of 61 cars. Spun in my heat and got hit and wrecked the RF suspension. In the feature I started 5th and couldn't get much done on top or bottom then got punted, spun in the air and managed to recover but was last. Worked back up to 7th at the end and the car has almost no damaged despite being spun in front of a pack of cars. The track was black and slick, where I come from it was horrible, but maybe the southern boys like that kind of thing. Hopefully next year they find a track that is ready to host a national event.
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Gimpster posted these results on his facebook. I think they were from the heat races.
Masters = Tim Brockhouse
Pro = Donavin Wiest
Semi Pro = Grant Greenfield
CONGRATULATIONS Grant!!!
Steve
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Congrats to Donavin Wiest!!! He won the Natl Pro points title, the Pro race of champions, and the Pro Feature!!!! Clean sweep!! Wish I coulda been there to race with you all, woulda been fun.
Joe
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If anyone has any video please post. Thanks
Scott
Cameron Sogge is downloading the vids on his You Tube site... says he has a lot to download (most of the nats) and just returned home. Keep an eye on this channel for updated vids http://www.youtube.com/user/camds8 (http://www.youtube.com/user/camds8)
Gimpster
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Steve, Grant had a very good run and finished 4th.
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Are the full results posted anywhere?
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Gimpster posted these results on his facebook:
Masters = Tim Brockhouse
Pro = Donavin Wiest
Semi Pro = Grant Greenfield
CONGRATULATIONS Grant!!!
Steve
Brockhouse punted one of the locals (Comer, I think?), but being a dealer, they didnt put him to the rear as they said all weekend they would.
Grant was 4th.
I was one of the 4 drivers that they erased the qualifying for, so I qualified 2 tenths slower on the sloppy wet track Saturday and started 11th. Vern got punted and I nailed him hard.
Perfect ending to the crap season I had.
I don't know who to pin the blame on for the most ineptly run show I have ever seen, so I won't comment on that.
I will say that Jeff having to sit on the back of a 4 wheeler holding onto his car with a quick jack to get it off the track after wrecking in the heat sums up the way things were prepared and handled all weekend
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This is the only information posted on USLC and reposted on LN.
Congratulations to Dirt Nationals winners Chandler LeVan in Young Lions,Tim Brockhouse in Masters, Jason Rayle in Semi-Pro and Donovin Wiest in Pro !
Steve
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That reminds me, I thought that if you won nationals, you had to move up a division? At least theat what Darrel Krentz told me.
Jason Rayle won last year in Semi-pro too.
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Brockhouse punted one of the locals (Comer, I think?), but being a dealer, they didnt put him to the rear as they said all weekend they would.
Grant was 4th.
I was one of the 4 drivers that they erased the qualifying for, so I qualified 2 tenths slower on the sloppy wet track Saturday and started 11th. Vern got punted and I nailed him hard.
Perfect ending to the crap season I had.
I don't know who to pin the blame on for the most ineptly run show I have ever seen, so I won't comment on that.
I will say that Jeff having to sit on the back of a 4 wheeler holding onto his car with a quick jack to get it off the track after wrecking in the heat sums up the way things were prepared and handled all weekend
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Welcome to racing with Brockhouse, this might sound mean but he is the most arogant prick I've ever met. He drives rough and isnt afraid of moving people. Glad he isnt my dealer or I would tell him where to go.
Joe
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Not sure what the policy is on people moving up to Pro after winning nationals, but Jason only ran a couple of legends races this year so that may have played into it.
Dave Comer is a good guy and has done a lot to promote legends racing in this area so it is a shame to see that he got knocked out of the way for the win.
Hopefully at least someone enjoyed racing at Springfield.
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The track surface itself was great Thursday and Friday, and was good for the first races Saturday, just really slicked off at the end.
The track surface itself was the highlight of the weekend, other than getting to meet Scott, Vern (off the track, didnt like meeting him on it), and some others Ive spoken with or sold parts to. Its always fun to put names with faces after a couple of years.
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It would have been nice to race before the sportmods used up the track. I think I could have won it then but by the time we raced the top was gone and I wasnt setup for dryslick.
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Not sure what the policy is on people moving up to Pro after winning nationals, but Jason only ran a couple of legends races this year so that may have played into it.
Dave Comer is a good guy and has done a lot to promote legends racing in this area so it is a shame to see that he got knocked out of the way for the win.
Hopefully at least someone enjoyed racing at Springfield.
Darrel Krentz told me earlier this year that the criteria were:
A) 5 or more division wins
B) 1 overall A Main win
C) Winning Nationals
...and then you move up a class.
Thats why Brandon Schmitt went from Young Lions to Pro this year, he won the Young Lions Nationals last year.
Jason should not have been running semi-pro. Not that it mattered in the outcome of my weekend at all. Jeff only ran one race this year, I dont think he should have been able to be back in semi-pro, or Eric Barth.
Just an observation, not trying to start anything. They (INEX) obviously don't pay too close of attention on the dirt side of things.
Comer was definately the one to beat out there, if raced clean, he would have won it. The "crowd" was not too pleased
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I got this info from Ethan on some of our legendsracer members:
Off the top of my head for legendsracer drivers - Vern spun out in the feature and Jim collided into him. Both had dnf's. Grant finished 4th i believe in the 30 lap a-main, DJ 6th. Brandon finished 5th and Jeff 7th in the Pro 30 lap a-main. I know i'm missing a few but thats all i can think of right now.
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hey guys, just wanted to thank all of that came down to Missouri for the nationals. Sorry about all the confusion with the line ups and what but i was in the dark as much as everyone else. i can guarantee you our weekly shows are not ever run like that so I'll let you make the call there. i know the track was a little slick for the features but it still had good grip if you could keep your car straight enough thru the corners. Yea Outhouse ..oops i mean Brockhouse spun me but i will take some blame there too, i left the door open a little too wide and he got the front bumper under me. I never saw him beside me and laps before i passed him he was cutting across my nose where i had to hit the binders to keep from doin what he did to me. Did think it was interesting the guy who wanted to know when there was 5 to go is the same one who was involved. HMMM. But hey it is what it is. Don't know why he didn't go to the back because Krentz had said in the meeting they were not going to make judgemnet calls and if you were involved or caused a caution you were going to the rear. I guess it depends on the name. but like i said it is what it is. i'm not losing any sleep over what if's. It's a small world and someday who knows the shoe might be on the other foot. thanks again guys for comin down and if you see me around sometime come say hello. to the guys i did get to meet, it was a pleasure, you all are a class act, truly mean that. Always great to meet new people in the legend racing family. Just 2 more things; 1 - I am the dealer in Missouri too and 2 - apologies on the outhouse comment just making a joke guys.
Dave Comer
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Dave,
I don't think that the track is really being blamed for the poorly run show. Also, comments about the track condition seemed to be pretty favorable. As I live in Montana and was not able to go, I would appreciate any info on where everyone finished if you have it.
Welcome To LegendsRacer!
Steve
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Lets all please try to refrain from any bashing of the drivers and track. I know that some of you are still pretty heated about the situation in MO.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve, sorry for my comment, was just making a joke, i just thought i would let you all know my end of it. as i posted the guys i met were a class act and the last thing i meant to do was come to a neighboring legend site and create chaos. i do apologize if it was taken that way. as far as what happened at the nationals, its over, done deal or at least for me it is. i'm ready to tear the car apart and get the new paint on. good luck in the year to come guys. if you guys have any 2 or 3 day specials let me know, would love to race with you guys again.
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I don't have a problem with anything you said Dave. It was obvious he was going to take you out, it wasnt the first time he got into you, you're right though, when they called 5 to go , there you went. You showed alot more restraint that alot of people would have after the race, myself included. Wish I would have had time to meet you, have heard good things.
That Jim Bucher guy sure is a jack-ass though, ain't he?
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I would have definately spun that Bucher guy if I was there. ;)
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Wouldn't have had a chance, I wasn't on the track that long...Vern decided to park in front of me!
I've never exploded an oil cooler before... even got oil on the roof.
Hopefully I'll have the roof cam video and video from the pit grandstand up tomorrow
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Steve
I don't think its "bashing" if you call a spade a spade. ;)
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That argument won Eminem a lawsuit if you'll recall.
His mom was suing him for defamation of character a few years back, and he argued that everything he said in his songs was true, and won.
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Jim that was a nice oil trail that you left for sure.
Steve give me some props: I finished 3rd in the S/P race and had my legendsracer.com sticker on....LOL
Scott
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...and Scott won his heat race and the best appearing car award.
Seeing how they were taking cars off the track, I figured I'd do less damage driving it off.
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Come on Jim, you could have pulled it off with a dolly behind a 4 wheeler.
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Nah, I would have made my niece do it.
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Just wanted to try to get the thread back on track.
Still catching bits and pieces from videos.
Congratulations Scott!!! And Thanks for helping promote the site. Those are sure nice decals! ;)
Steve
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Thanks Jim I feel bad enoughhhhhhhhhhhh that dam 48 didnt realized the race was still on and I wasnt ready to park my car.what was that guys name ?man I felt bad you blew your cooler after you ripped the front of my car,I was always told never hit a parked car ? lol hope you had a safe trip home Jim was great meeting you
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Stev you just have to understand, what everyone went through this past week everyone has the right in some way or another to vent, you just had to have been there not bashing you stev I just still have my whats next face one lol
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Vern,
I do understand. I've been hearing the stories.
I'll just let it be.
Steve
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Finally got to see the video of the green-white-checker finish of the semi pro race. Looked pretty exciting! Was sorry to see Scott lose that second place spot. Grant ran a very consistant race. Looked like DJ got a little high in 1 and 2. Great Job Guys!!!
Steve
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Stev who is that orange car 48 in the semi pro race ?
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With being able to attend both the asphalt and dirt nationals, I would like to give my opinion on what I saw throughout the weekends. At the asphalt nationals in Langley the only division that was there were Legends, but they did have a Thunder Car and Bandolero demonstration as well. The promoter of Langley Speedway was very much into and proud to host the Legends nationals with making everyone feel a part of the whole event. They took their time to make sure the track was clean and after every incident or oil down, they would not restart until the drivers were happy with the track. They gave everyone plenty of time in between races, and put on a very nice presentation for the ROC races along with the main events with driver introductions and trophy ceremonies. Even in the YL race they brought the kids out on a tricked out school bus to make it more fun for the kids and fans. Everything was done in a very professional manner and it was a great event to experience.
Now when we arrived at Springfield Raceway and saw the track I first thought that it looked like a nice track to hold such an event but after the weekend started my opinion changed. The first thing I noticed is the lack of track prep, throughout three days the crew did nothing much other than scrape the track and water it down. I wish I knew that ahead of time or I would have brought our asphalt cut tires with out because by the end of the weekend it was an asphalt track. With the track hosting a national event I know plenty of others including myself felt that it was disrespectful towards the Legends division that they had other classes and tried to run the event like a regular night race. On Thursday with open practice, they gave a total of 2.5 hours which after everyone got out you were lucky to get out for three 10 lap sessions because of the other divisions being there. On Friday, the track promoter would not give anyone time to go over their cars with rushing people through qualifying and right into heat races, they didn't even post the times or heat race lineups. Now with the ROC races usually they let the drivers draw for position and do a driver introduction which the track did not do. On top of that they didn't even give Krentz enough time to do a trophy ceremony.
On Saturday they had a quick round of practice and then re qualified the semi pros due to transponder issues. With having only a-mains to run it took some convincing on Krentz's part to get the promoter of Springfield to allow us to do driver introductions and trophy ceremonies. After practice Krentz did a quick ceremony for the winners of the ROC races, when he did that the promoter was yelling at the pit box that he didn't approve that it he didn't have time for "this shit" So when it came time to run the main races they did go along with Krentz but you could see that the promoter didn't want to. So after the pro race which I was in, while we were in tech the track promoter shut the lights down, locked up and left while Scott and the other INEX officials are doing tech with flashlights.
After speaking with people from that area it seems like there are really good race tracks and competitive racing out that way but if they hold the Nationals at Springfield Raceway again I am sure they will not have many cars. I really do feel sorry for the people who attended the dirt nationals because they did not get to experience what I was able to down at Langley the weekend before. Congratulations to all the the winners at both the asphalt and dirt nationals of 2010.
TM
www.team510racing.com
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Just wanted to try to get the thread back on track.
Still catching bits and pieces from videos.
Congratulations Scott!!! And Thanks for helping promote the site. Those are sure nice decals! ;)
Steve
For your information Mr Steve, I left my Legendsracer decal on when I peeled the rest off...I guess I have to take a picture or be banned for life!
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Stev who is that orange car 48 in the semi pro race ?
Dave Fraser, Sheboygan Wisconsin.
Not the first time the orange 48 has caused carnage. His Dad was the one that started my stunt show at Chilton in 2008, and also broke a kids neck at Nationals the same year if I recall. They disappeared for a year, now his son is driving, but he's just like dad when behind the wheel. Those are just 2 examples, I have more, but not as spectacular. That car must be bulletproof, it seems like its everyone else that gets wrecked and whoever is driving it gets away unharmed
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Thanks Jim I feel bad enoughhhhhhhhhhhh that dam 48 didnt realized the race was still on and I wasnt ready to park my car.what was that guys name ?man I felt bad you blew your cooler after you ripped the front of my car,I was always told never hit a parked car ? lol hope you had a safe trip home Jim was great meeting you
Right back at you. Trip home was fine, a little sore, but fine. Good to finally meet some people on here. I've had alot of cars park in front of me this season, Hell, I even hit my other car this year.
I'm just glad this season is over, its been my worst so far.
Time to finish Canadianing...Canadizing...Canucking...I dont know the word, but most of you know what I mean....my garage and rebuild for next year.
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Thank You Jim for helping promote the site! ;)
So are you trying to say your going to heat your garage floor? ;D
Steve
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well I guees the next big question is ?????? where are nationals next year ? and who is going ? lol and I will paint my car orange so when I take a certain person out no one will know it was me ? lol no just kinding.
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There is talk that perhaps Beaver Dam will host the Nationals next year.
Just rumor at this point.
Steve
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Hey Vern,
I forgot to ask, did I hit you on the VMS Motorsports decal?
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Jim I should have got one of your VMS stickers for my car.
I vote for Eldora for the Nationals next year. How cool would it be to have it there and it would truly be nuetral site. See you all next year no matter where they have it if the they have a dirt Nationals next year for Legends. The have one for new dirt car and phase out Legends on dirt. Just saying.
Scott
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I was not there Todd, but from personal experience I find it hard to believe that Jerry did almost no track prep all weekend. He has always worked hard to make sure there is a good track so I just do not believe that he decided to sit on the sidelines and do nothing for 3 days. Also, I posted on here a link to track pictures from the week before so that everyone could see how the track progresses. With the type of clay in Southern Missouri, it dries out as the evening goes on and takes rubber. Dirt is different in other parts of the country, but this is what we race on every weekend. From what I understand, there were no pot holes and snapping suspension pieces off in the ruts. Also find it hard to believe that INEX had this perfectly planned weekend set out and it was just the local guy who screwed up the schedule, transponders, etc. The tracks who volunteer to host the dirt nationals must be out of their mind. To put up with INEX, the cost of putting on the show (including even hotel for INEX officials), promoting the deal with no help from the sanctioning body, then to get blamed for anything and everything that happens.
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Jerry definitely put a lot of time into the track and it showed, it was awesome all three nights. My only issue was with the local classes running before the Legends were done. The track was rough, like racing on cobblestone roads, but I think thats what you get with that kind of dirt.
Darryl Krentz screwed up and appologized way to many times for his errors. You can tell he puts no extra effort into the dirt nationals, its too bad.
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I had no problem with the track surface as said earlier, everything else was screwed up, on INEX's part and how the track handled it.
Darrel and INEX messed it up royally, but the track owner screaming and swearing at us to just get in our cars and get to staging over and over when we had no line-ups or qualifying results, trying to hurry everything through like we were a burden to him, and shutting off the lights and going home can't be blamed on INEX.
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I am not looking to argue but what I stated before is from what I saw, and things I gathered from Krentz when my father had breakfast with him on Saturday morning. Throughout the three day's I never saw the track cut/turned over once. I did see them scrape the track and water it down but they never did anything to get water underneath the surface. You are correct though by saying different parts of the country have different types of tracks, with that being said in my opinion a real dirt track has wet/tacky surface where you come off the track and there is mud on your car. Occasionally you will have ruts and broken parts but that's part of dirt racing.
If you did not know this, I didn't preregister and when we wrote a check out it was to Springfield Raceway, not US Legends. So the track does make some profit off the event, they get all of the entry fees. Krentz told us that US Legends does not make any money off the event, the track gets everything and in return the track needs to put up a few $ for them to stay in a hotel.
Two years ago they had the nationals at Big Diamond Speedway(PA) which was the biggest ever, last year they had it at East Lincoln Speedway(NC), this year was Springfield Raceway(MO) so although I hear good things about Beaver Dam, I would say it would only be fair to bring it somewhere else. I know Springfield considers itself a 1/4 mile but I would have to disagree on that. I would say Accord Speedway, NY which is just over 1/4 mile and would be a great place to hold the event. Its a small high banked track with a great facility and they really have their act together. Northeast Legends is planning to run a full schedule in 2011 so it would give people plenty of time to come out and test before hand.
TM
www.team510racing.com
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Roof cam video of Vern and I having a chance meeting on the racing surface:
http://vmsmotorsports.com/ (http://vmsmotorsports.com/)
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Jim,
That one was clearly Vern's fault for not having a brighter painted car. :)
Hope the cars are not torn up too badly.
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Nobody knows where the money goes, and everyone is going to lie when they are asked.
The track has to pay INEX to have the Nationals there. Do they make money on it? Maybe, maybe not, can't say, as I don't know the numbers.
Let's not start the next year it should be back East again crap already, wait a month or so, OK?
You had Pennsylvania and NC in '08 and '09. Fair would be North Dakota, as they have alot of dirt drivers and nice facilities to choose from there.
I know, the only "real" dirt drivers are from the Northeast, you're "the best", we've all heard it already.
Missouri was a good logistical choice, as it is about as centrally located as you can get, and it will be somewhere else less convenient for some and closer for other drivers next year.
Yes, some people had to drive more than my 616 miles each way, and some less. It's not a requirement to go though.
The car count sucked, but I bet that the majority of the 13 drivers from Wisconsin that made up the 60 car turnout aren't going to go to New York in October.
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Jim,
That one was clearly Vern's fault for not having a brighter painted car. :)
Hope the cars are not torn up too badly.
I had just committed to going under the 23, then there's Vern, doing his nails in the middle of the track.
He could have been glow in the dark pink, I still would have hit him. Mines pretty rough, but the season is over here anyway. He had another race he was going to, so I hope he got it back together
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Yes JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM your dam sticker is comming off my car for good, you are costing me too much..... I laughed the other nite ,when I thought about we talked about ,where your sticker ends up on my car and what gets damaged...... lol yes I was tore up bad too but what sucks it shouldnt have been from watching jims video seems like everyone was driving hard and clean, but mr dum aaaaa was all over the place.again sorry jim hated to end it like that .
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Did full results ever get released for each class? Springfield usually puts them out pretty quickly, but they only released results for the support classes. Are there appeals or inspection issues keeping INEX from releasing results? Was not sure if something was going on behind the scenes.
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Nobody knows where the money goes, and everyone is going to lie when they are asked.
The track has to pay INEX to have the Nationals there. Do they make money on it? Maybe, maybe not, can't say, as I don't know the numbers.
Let's not start the next year it should be back East again crap already, wait a month or so, OK?
You had Pennsylvania and NC in '08 and '09. Fair would be North Dakota, as they have alot of dirt drivers and nice facilities to choose from there.
I know, the only "real" dirt drivers are from the Northeast, you're "the best", we've all heard it already.
Missouri was a good logistical choice, as it is about as centrally located as you can get, and it will be somewhere else less convenient for some and closer for other drivers next year.
Yes, some people had to drive more than my 616 miles each way, and some less. It's not a requirement to go though.
The car count sucked, but I bet that the majority of the 13 drivers from Wisconsin that made up the 60 car turnout aren't going to go to New York in October.
Well said Jim... well said
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Hahahaha.... just setting there doing his nails !!!
that was freekin funny !! (I needed the laugh)
Check this out (thanks again Cameron)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn8gfPjbbSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn8gfPjbbSc)
~ Gimpster ~
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results ??????? lol we will get them next week and they will be wroung.......and then we all will have to go back and do the nationals all over ....wow sounds like last weekend lol
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Yes JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM your dam sticker is comming off my car for good, you are costing me too much..... I laughed the other nite ,when I thought about we talked about ,where your sticker ends up on my car and what gets damaged...... lol yes I was tore up bad too but what sucks it shouldnt have been from watching jims video seems like everyone was driving hard and clean, but mr dum aaaaa was all over the place.again sorry jim hated to end it like that .
I guess you don't want a big decal for the roof for next year? ;D
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Yes JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM your dam sticker is comming off my car for good, you are costing me too much..... I laughed the other nite ,when I thought about we talked about ,where your sticker ends up on my car and what gets damaged...... lol yes I was tore up bad too but what sucks it shouldnt have been from watching jims video seems like everyone was driving hard and clean, but mr dum aaaaa was all over the place.again sorry jim hated to end it like that .
Stop apologizing, it was a racing incident...I just have had waaaay too many of them this year
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I know, the only "real" dirt drivers are from the Northeast, you're "the best", we've all heard it already.
I didn't say anything about about the drivers in my post, some of the people we met out there are really nice people and good/clean drivers. All I said was in my opinion is dirt track racing is wet/tacky muddy tracks when you come off and your covered in mud. Going through 20 tear offs in one night, and have to power wash the car the next day. The track surface out there was more like the 2010 Asphalt Nationals Part Deuce LOL. All I hope is for next year the Dirt Nationals will be at a track where the track allows Krentz to put on a true National event and not being rushed through everything.
Michigan has some really cool dirt tracks like Crystal Speedway or Owendale Speedway, Ohio has a cool track called BushCreek Speedway. There are some cool tracks on the western side of Pa like CentralPa Speedway. I just hope they can find a location to draw 80-100 cars so it can be more fun for everyone. I think Eldora would be cool just because of track itself. Hell I didn't even make it into the A-main at the Asphalt Nationals and I can truely say the show was just that much better throughout the weekend.
Springfield was 1200 miles or so each way for us, 18 hours of driving time.
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No, not in this post, just didn't want a repeat of the...
"If you want to be a dirt racer, the northeast is the place to be"...stuff again.
http://www.legendsracer.com/index.php?topic=1174.30 (http://www.legendsracer.com/index.php?topic=1174.30)
Back to the subject of the 2011 nationals that are 360 days away...Keep in mind INEX wont sanction Eldora, or any other track 1/2 mile or larger, otherwise I'm sure that would be number one on the list. Theres alot of great tracks out there, thats for sure.
If it were my world, they would move it up a few weeks, make it a double points night, and run it with the WoO Knoxville Nationals. That would be a Hell of a good time. We wouldnt be headliners, but that'd be fine with me.
100+ cars guaranteed.
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I bet if Eldora was the only one to come up with the 30K to hold the nationals I bet Darrel would be happy to have them there. The just had the asphalt nationals at one of the fastest places that Legends run so again it comes down to Darrel and USLC not understanding a dang thing about dirt and how to run a dirt show.
Scott
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I bet if Eldora was the only one to come up with the 30K to hold the nationals I bet Darrel would be happy to have them there. The just had the asphalt nationals at one of the fastest places that Legends run so again it comes down to Darrel and USLC not understanding a dang thing about dirt and how to run a dirt show.
Scott
I've been told the dollar number is quite a bit smaller than that, but I have no real idea
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I herd the money exchange for the dirt nationals at springfield was 3 thousand dollars ?
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Still trying to locate final results... But not having any luck.
You dirt guys really do get no respect!
Steve
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Tell me about it Stev I was just looking myself..................lol wow its like it didnt even happen this past week
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Hopefully Darrel didnt hit the delete key for the feature results like he did for semi pro qualifying.
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Tell me about it Stev I was just looking myself..................lol wow its like it didnt even happen this past week
Hey Vern...I got some inside information...I finished last, you finished second last
;D :D :) :( :-\ :-[ >:( :'(
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Video from the Pit Grandstand is up for Semi Pro A Main up until the crash
http://vmsmotorsports.com/ (http://vmsmotorsports.com/)
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just a thought; if INEX and Z-MAX would have been thinking, take that miilion dollars , split it up and quit having a track owner/promotor try to come up with sponsors to pay for the nationals to be at their track. Inex could then have nationals at tracks which are sanctioned and have been supporting the legend racer thru the years. So there is no misunderstanding, INEX could run the show and let the track personnel concentrate on the surface rather than trying (at the last min) to get the show rolling because people were standing there with their thunbs under their tail feathers. Tracks could be determined well in advance giving us all a chance to race different places as wel as giving some locals a chance to race at the nationals who otherwise may not be able to travel. Am i making sense, whats you alls opinion? just a thought.
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INEX and the tracks need to start setting out a clear schedule and document everyone's duties (local and INEX), then stick with them. It seems like the tracks and INEX are butting heads every year during dirt nationals because of one common dirt track problem or another. Promoters want to keep cars on the track to keep everyone in the stands happy, so downtime for qualifying timing issues is something that will get under their skin. These what if's need to be figured out, or someone needs to be given power to make the call, needs to be decided before cars start showing up in the pits.
With the extra local classes last weekend, did it bring more people into the stands? I know that they helped use up the track faster with the extra racing, but we need to keep thinking about getting people in the stands. If they did bring in more fans, then it is probably worth the headache. I do not want to see legends cars turn into club racing where the crews are the only people watching the races.
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If USLC would have taken that money and spread it around the country I think that they would have gotten more for there money than a one shot deal. Sure they got Speed Channel to cover it but not sure they had blockbuster ratings. As for the track owner and USLC butting heads someone needs to be in charge and make the calls and my guess is that would be who ever has the money invested. There was absolutely no advertising and nothing was written in the paper except a small article on page 12c in the sports section. We called the local TV stations in Springfield to tell them about this “Nationals” going on and they said they had no idea anything like that was going on. The did send a reporter out but I don’t know what happened with that whole deal. I still think that the one that was held in Pennsylvania was the bet run a by far the best surface that I have ever run on. I’m not saying that because I live out here. It was because we were the only show and that made it nice (they did run an enduro race after all was done). I pulled 1150 miles and would do it again because I got to see my parents and family and friend that live near Springfield. I might see you next year if it is not to far and Jim I have gone the last four years and two in the Midwest and two on the east coast so I think it is even and in 2006 in was in Missouri also. Just saying.
Scott
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The one shot Million dollar deal was a bad idea, I think we all agree on that, well, except the ones who got paid.
I have no problem moving Nationals around, I just think New York in the middle of October would be a little chilly, as would Wisconsin. I would have loved to go to Pennsylvania, we have family out there, but I sucked as a driver back then too ;D so I didnt make the trip. Just saying.
I think the majority of the 100 people in the stands were there for the Legends, but who knows?
There are alot of little things they could do that would make the experience alot better and bring in more cars no matter where it is. Most traveling series rent the facility for the night(s) and run the show, period. That would alleviate alot of the headaches in itself.
I still say make it a double points race and you'll double your car count wherever it ends up next year, if they bother with a Dirt Nationals at all. I didn't know what to expect with it being my first Nationals, I guess the Asphalt coverage had me thinking there would be alot of cars, but 60 just doesn't make a "National" anything, other than people drove a Hell of a long way from all over the "Nation" to run it.
When I called my son Saturday to let him know I was starting 11th, he was so excited I made the A Main, I didnt have the heart to tell him there were no "B"'s.
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If the support classes were not able to bring more people than that into the stands, then I would agree that it should have been a legends only deal to preserve the track. Making it a points race, and more money, would help get more cars to show up. From the sound of it, the car count was way down for the asphalt nationals this year also. The million race did get a little coverage for legends racing for a weekend, but it dropped back off the radar pretty quickly. The only way to keep the momentum going from that publicity would be to do it every year, which I cannot imagine that they could or would do. Not sure that the attention got them many new customers without it being a yearly race. I give them credit for taking a chance. Splitting the money between the nationals races would have gotten the more bang for the buck with the existing customer base. The existing customers probably sell more people on moving to legends cars than all the commercials they run on Speed Channel.
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I would guess that the 2 support classes brought in 20 cars total per night.
Don't know what the total turnout was for asphalt, but 102 cars started between the 4 A Mains, and there was a pro B main with 26 cars in it, with 4 transferring, so there were at least 122 cars that made the trip, not counting all the guys that wrecked or blew up in practice and the heats. I don't know how many there usually are on asphalt, but that would be nice car count to see on dirt.
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Theres a link on USLC website for the 2010 Dirt Nationals results, but it comes up as an error, the page cannot be found...how fitting, kind of like my qualifying times!
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There was a little over 150 cars at the asphalt nationals, some didn't make it past the first couple days due to engine failures and wrecks but there was that many. The PRO Division has a total of 49 cars which 28 started the B main, I started 23rd out of the 28 cars, they took 5 cars from the B main and another 5 cars from provisional wins. So a total of 30 cars started the A main for the Pro division.
I guess although some of us have our different opinions it seems like everyone agrees that INEX treats dirt legends racing like the redheaded step child. Also, about the INEX not sanctioned tracks larger than 1/2 mile is nothing but a farce. There is a track in New York ShangriLa II Speedway which is a large 1/2 mile and it is sanctioned, the track is so large for Legends cars that there is a 3.73 gear rule. The track is amazingly fast and dangerous and it shows due to their low car counts.
I agree with all the recent previous posts, USLC should take that money and divide it up evenly and put more effort into what is already here. There is so much potential with the Legends cars on asphalt and dirt but it seems like their content with the way things are and all the negativity going against them. I will say this though, B. Smith didn't buy USLC from H.Wheeler to not make money, so if USLC starts to lose money I am sure Smith won't be happy.
This is what irritates me the most, you see what is there and what it can be but they just really don't give a damn.
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Just going by what I've been told by some USLC dealers on the 1/2 mile deal
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I ran at knoxville when the WoO nationals were going on(there was 14 of us and it wasn't sanctioned, it was a charity race for the C.O.P.S organization. we only got 15 laps) it was fast but since the corners are so much more longer you really dont notice the speeds. I agree it is dangerous and theres no room for error. It wasn't very racey either. Pretty much just hold the bottom. Sorry this is kinda off topic
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You are right about the track sizes, it does say that in the rulebook but lately it seems funny that many of the rules are getting changed as we go during the racing season or most of them are now saying up to the discretion of the Inex official. Basically it means, it all depends on who you are. LOL
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Still an Error from USLC's website, but Legendsnation has the results as follows (HEY VERN, I BEAT YA! ;D ::) ):
Legends Dirt Nationals Results from Springfield Raceway
10-20-2010 | Track News
On Wednesday, October 20th, US Legend Cars International / INEX released the official results from the 2010 Legends Car Dirt Nationals, which took place October 15th and 16th at Springfield Raceway (MO). Below are the results, according to released information.
Race of Champions: SP / YL
1 Bill Diehl SP
2 Grant Greenfield SP
3 Paul Mc Collum SP
4 Dallas Ross SP
5 Cameron Sogge SP
6 Vernon Houseman SP
7 Landis Hartranft SP
8 Colt Pruente (First Y/L)
9 Chandler LeVan YL
Race of Champions: P / M
1 Dave Comer M
2 Donavin Wiest P
3 Park Jones P
4 Rob Watson M
5 Tim Brockhouse
6 Buddy Goudy
7 Greg Hartlaub
8 Kyle Weatherman
9 Brandon Schmitt
10 Keith Meyer
11 Todd Mc Collum
12 Warren Ropp
13 Vince Melone
14 Justin Comer
15 Allen Gattis
16 James Black
Main - Young Lions
1 Chandler LeVAn
2 Billy Cottril
3 BJ Bares (Bates)
4 Colt Pruente
5 Matt Grunenberg
6 Issac Sherman
Main - Semi-Pro
1 Jason Rayle
2 Bill Diehl
3 Scott Wilkerson
4 Grant Greenfield
5 Jay Reynolds
6 Dallas Ross
7 Rod Baird
8 Luke Polzin
9 Robert Shatz
10 Dave Frasier
11 Tim Simpson
12 Loren Zuhike Jr
13 Landis Hartranft
14 Cameron Sogge
15 Paul McCollum
16 Brian Boucher
17 Tyler Horton
18 Jim Bucher
19 Vernon Houseman
Main - Pro
1 Donavin Wiest
2 Kyle Beattie
3 Justin Comer
4 Todd Mc Collum
5 Brandon Schmitt
6 Kyle Weatherman
7 Jeff Steenbergen
8 Allen Gattis
9 Alex Kempf
10 Vince Melone
11 Cam Schafer
12 Jeremy Meyer
13 Park Jones
14 Chuck Comer
15 Carson Graham
16 Troy Speten
17 Bethany Wyttenbach
Main - Masters
1 Tim Brockhouse
2 Eric Barth
3 Brian Peterson
4 Keith Meyer
5 Dave Comer
6 Buddy Goudy
7 Warren Ropp
8 Rick Nichols
9 Bill Cottril
10 Phil Harris
11 Dave Shafer
12 Kevin Schultz
13 David Bauer
14 Mike Mueller
15 Rob Watson
15 John Kerchner
16 Greg HartLaub
17 James Black
DNS Robert Gayton
DNS Don Reynolds
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I just want to comment on the races at Springfield. I know friday was a messed up deal. but that was nothing to do with the track. that was all 600. And another reason from what i heard was the owner of the track did not want mirrors ran, and darrell said to bad they are running them. now if you owed a track and someone came in and started telling you what you can and cant do. wouldnt that piss you off? i think it would. So i think thats why things were rushed around friday night more then they should of been. and about the the locations of the nationals and how many cars show up. it doesnt matter where you have it at, 600 DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DIRT OR DO THEY CARE ABOUT THE DIRT CARS OR DRIVERS. They will never promote it or do anything like they do for the asphalt nationals, so everybody complaining including myself are just wasting are breath. and for the car counts. hell look at it last year when it was carolina. there wasnt that many cars. AND NO ONE IN THE STANDS! i knoticed someone on here complained about the surface at Springfield, crap it was so rough at East lincoln i thought i was on a four wheeler trail out in the sticks somewhere, i know it rained but damn! I know alot of people on here are bitching about having nationals in Missouri, but i think it should be held at Lucus oil Speedway every year in Wheatland MO. That is by far the nicest Dirt track around anywhere, or have it at Lowes motor speedway dirt track or Texas motor speedway dirt track. Have it at a well known track. but you almost have to have some support classes with Legends when you run them, people like to see other classes ran at big events. you look at most all of the big latemodel shows, there is usually a support class ran with them. And for the comment about how the track was dry slick at Springfield, it was slick but im sorry everybody is fast when its tacky out. the slick tracks make you a better driver, and if you can be fast on the slick you wont have a problem when its tacky, and if you had the wrong setup under your car, im sorry read the track better and make changes to it! And another thing if someone wants to have it at there local track next year and you want a car count, try and talk to your promoter and get some sponsors and add some more money to the purse on top of what 600 pays you, that will draw some more cars.
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Thank You Jim!
A big Thanks to Cam for posting the videos as quickly as he could!
Welcome aboard JC38!
Steve
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I`m new to legend racing but been racing for 20 + years, just what Jim did seems to be the way to do it. I`ve been waiting sense last weekend to find out how the Wisconsin nites did and without Jim posting the results we would still be waiting (thanks Jim). Now the mirror thing is what happens when you let tracks make there own rules, but when you run the nationals you need to come setup with 600 rules because that is who is running it NOT the track, and if they (the track and 600) can`t come up with a solution then the drivers at the drivers meeting need to hash it out. It just seems that we as drivers and crew need to help our selfs to keep everyone informed as to what is going on out here in the dirt world.
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When we asked about mirrors at the drivers meeting, we were told "if you have them, run them", case closed. That was the entire conversation, in public at least. No idea about behind closed doors. It was probably about 50/50 cars with/without mirrors.
JC38, you're right in the fact that the line-up issues Friday were 600's doing, but the way the track handled them was equally frustrating, if not more. Everybody was at fault for the Friday debacle.
USLC for screwing up royally and not being prepared in the least, and the track for not being able to handle it whatsoever. At least where I'm from, when people come from all over the country and pay $100 per person to race at your facility, you dont just repeatedly scream and swear at them until they go away. The track was too concerned with taking care of the 20 cars in their local classes and getting out of there early to take a few minutes, step back, and think of a way to ease the growing frustration. Instead they poured fuel on the fire by treating us like we were all juvenile delinquent rapist baby killers.
No one who runs a business should be yelling at their customers to "get in your f-ing cars and get to lineup, are you stupid?" "Whats so hard, just get in your car! We'll line you up!" "If you dont have any friends, find someone to tell you where to line up" over and over, louder and louder until finally everyone just went away because we were sick of being screamed at.
So there I sat, in my car, 4th car to get to the staging area where I was screamed at to go to. Sat the 15 minutes or so before the young lions race. Sat while the young lions ran their heat. Then I sat the 20 minutes before the first semi-pro heat, then through the first semi-pro heat, then through the 2nd semi-pro heat. Then through the delay until they figured out to send the remaining semi-pro's (4 cars) out onto the track, all the while the track guy who was sending the heats out just repeatedly told my pit crew, "he's not on the list" and kept walking away.
So, yes, the problem started with USLC's ineptness, but it was compunded by the track management.
Saturday it was like a whole new world, with apologies and smiles all around, but Friday... everyone involved F-ed up big time. I do believe 1 or 2 cars just left after Friday, not due to mechanical issues, but due to the horrendous treatment from the track.
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Did you guys use transponders, or was timing done by the tower.
I did not have a dog in this fight but I would think if you were using transponders the track should have had times posted after every run.
Being at the asphalt nats the track was pretty much responsible for the running of the event, as you guys, we only had Darrell and Scott present. So I may be wrong but I feel the problem may be with the track.
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We used transponders. I had no practice times posted after Thursday, so I talked to Darrell Friday and he said that they would let me know when I went out for qualifying if my transponder didn't work, and they didn't say it didn't work. He said he must have hit the wrong button or something
To his credit, Darrell took the blame for Fridays issues right off the bat on Saturday.
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I agree on having it at Wheatland. They could put gravel on the track and I would still go. That place is pretty cool. Look up their website if you get a chance. Mr. Lucas is not shy about spending money on his track.
On dirt nationals, nearly every year it seems to be a matter of INEX and the track not having everything sorted out before hand. If the track thinks that they are running the show and INEX thinks that they are running the show, then things will get screwed up. Meet on it however many times needed before hand and put it on paper, but things like schedules, trophy presentations, mirrors, etc. should not be decided on the fly. If things are decided on the fly, then they at least need to have it decided on who makes the call.
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We didn't get the transponders until Friday morning. If we would have got them Thursday (which is what has happend the last four years) I think we wouldn't have had any problems but Darrel said that the airline lost Scott's luggage. What he ment to say is that they forgot to charge them, which he said later...It kind of sucked not knowing your times Thursday too.
Scott
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I had my own transponder, thats the only reason I knew something was up
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Well in a nut shelll >>>>>>>>>> the whole weekend dirt deal suckeddddd and I wished I would have never went, besides meeting new freinds and people from here it would have been a total lose for me ........Vern you should see my finger nails ;)
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That is a well worded nutshell Vern, I echo the sentiment, but I haven't seen your nails, hope I didn't cause you to smudge one :D
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oh i couldnt agree more that it sucked Friday, everybody can blame the track all they want and they did have some fault. but my opinion, it all comes down to 600. the track owner and darrell did not communicate well until the big or deal happened friday night. Then saturday seemed to be alot better. and the mirror situition needs to be NO MIRRORS on any track for that matter. why do you need mirrors they just cause wrecks. And the owner of the track told Darrell before they came no mirrors and 600 ignored him. sorry thats not right! hopefully next year the race track officals and 600 will be better were ever we go! I race at springfield weekly and we are always treated fair and it was a big mess at Nationals and im sorry. i just hate everyone bashing Springfield on here when i know 600 is always to blame when it comes to the dirt guys. 600 need to have a director for dirt and one for asphalt. things would be alot better. but we know that will never happen.
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ok let me see if i can clear up some things, first i didn't even see Darrel on thursday and i was there pretty early(not saying he wasn't there, i just didn't see him), second Friday no one was there to tell us where to even get a transponder, then i had to go to the grandstand tower to get one (usually have gotten one when i signed in at the other nationals so i agrre with Scott), INEX had the transponders not the track, then when hot laps was almost over i was told you have to hot lap to see if your transponder is working and get a time (never heard one word about it and was at my trailer in the pits the whole time) , i blame this on the track pit anouncer IF HE KNEW otherwise INEX, heat races i didn't know crap about what was going on just like the rest of you, and yes this was INEX's fault as Darrel was doing the lineups just like he does every national event. In a nut shell Friday was a cluster.... as the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doin and visa-versa. So saturday after asking what the heck is going on here, i was told that the track owner, director and Darrell had lunch to day and went over things, that it would be better today, then Darrell apologizes for the friday fiasco that it was his fault. If darrell would have just been up front on the timing thing they could have re-timed Friday night but hitting the wrong buttons i was told just had him in a confused state. Darrel, hey it happens , just be open and honest with us, we can take it. Sat. was much better because we had a schedule and line-ups and everone was cool (I think). Guys the dirt racing is 10% of legend racing (straight number direct from INEX) so you do the math and see why dirt legend racing gets nothing.
i had the reporter in my son's car (don't think he got it out of 2nd gear) getting video and also did an interview (but i sucked) with him for the sports cast that night, even had some people call and tell me about it.(they told me i sucked too lol). Lets face it we can throw the blame around forever but it came down to one thing COMMUNICATION BETWEEN INEX AND TRACK . (wasn't any on thur. or fri.)
Mirrors, someone tell me why you need mirrors on a dirt track? so you can see the blurry car behind you? or so you can missyour entry into the next corner? i don't know but asphalt i understand, it can be swept off the surface. biut for dirt it getsembeeded in the surface which is why track owners do not allow mirrors on dirt. and i for one do not want a flat tire with these new federals because someone needed to run a mirrow so he could see who was behind him on a caution.
By the way Scott, had a good time talking with you and your dad before you left Sunday, gave your dad my card so keep in touch.
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"600 need to have a director for dirt"
Since the deal for the track I was going to open has fallen through, I'll take that job, not that it will ever come about.
As I said, it was everybodys fault...it just sucked, but it's done and gone.
I for one can't wait to start tearing the cars down for next year
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Yes it is a done deal. wish things could of went like saturday night for the whole weekend. But for the most part i think the actual racing was really good, no body in any class ran off with it and most of the races were down to the last couple of laps on who was going to win. I have to say goodjob to my fellow Missouri racers i race with every weekend. we had a 2nd, 4th and a 5th in YL, a 1st and a 5th in SP, a 5th in M. and a 3rd in the P and we won the Masters race of Champions. Not bad, good job Missouri guys!
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I was surprised there weren't more Missouri guys there...?
We had 14 Wisconsinites, plus 3 Iowa drivers that race with us at Beaver Dam,
So, since we're handing out props (glad things are getting positive as the ill feelings are wearing off a little):
2nd & 4th in the Semi Pro Race of Champions
3rd in Young Lions Main
4th & 6th in Semi Pro Main
5th in Pro Main
2nd, 3rd, & 4th in Masters Main
we also had 2 heat race wins, one in Pro (Schmitt20) and one in Masters
And I beat Vern for second last in Semi Pro ;D
On WISCONSIN!
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yea we only had 16 guys, one guy didn't want to spend the 150 for a license sense he started so late (only 2 races), another guy said he couldn't keep up with anyone lately so he wasn't comin and then i got this one guy who drives a red and white 95 car his wife is expecting twins so i don't know why he wasn't there lol (sorry JG but had to jab at you a little)
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Still no babies? Thought he would have had them induced to back up his excuse for not coming!
I'm disappointed ;D
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No babies yet, but it could happen any day. She is scheduled to be induced November 11th if they do not arrive on there own before then. Getting down to Springfield the weekend before for a one day deal was workable, but a weekend of nationals would have gotten me into trouble. Hope to make it down there for the Thanksgiving weekend race at Springfield, with the proper approvals from the boss. ;)
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Well Mr Jim if you wouldnt have taken me out............I would have finished in front of you ? perhaps lol but its over and its all good. lol..........I know one thing I bet my finger nails look better than yours ? lol And if one of your chees head buddies would learn how to drive I think we would have been in the game a little longer ?
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Actually Vern, being a salesperson, my nails are quite nice, thank you very much!
Heres a picture of the Beaver Dam group (minus Brandon) from Nationals
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Dam Jim you didnt get my car ????? only thing I see is our ops johns trailer ...... talk about feeling left out lol
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Sorry Vern, don't recall you running at Beaver Dam this season...
:)
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Yes, a slick/dry track does make you better but most times its not a real racey surface. You typically get better races with a wet/tacky track. I still say the track could have been better, the track took rubber and when that happens it starts to become an asphalt race.
On the mirrors, its an Inex rule you are allowed to run them and Inex is higher than the track so the promoter should have accepted that. Just like throughout the year if you have a problem you can submit the situation to Inex and they can make a call which sometimes over goes the tracks call.
I second the idea that they should promote the dirt nationals more and get more purse money involved. What may help is if Inex selects 3 tracks in different locations and puts a vote online then the most votes is where it will be held. Maybe that will help increasee the car count.
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...as long as they only allow you to vote once. I bet you'd take a week off of work and just keep voting for anywhere in the NorthEast
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northeast is good for me too .I vote twice once before work once after work after all we are the greatest dirt racers
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A tacky track does make for a better and sometimes faster race. but in the midwest this is what ya get. a rubbered up dry slick track. i understand inex puts in the rulebook you can run mirrors, i think its stupid. you dont see latemodel and modifieds or sprintcars running mirrors. Why do we? I think next year at Nationals were ever that may be. we need to vote and everyone say no to mirrors. Because mark my word. at nationals next year if we do run mirors and i can tell someone is mirror driving me. I will move them! i hate the mirrors and think its chicken s-it to run them on a dirt track especally!
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here in the northeast we dont run mirrors on dirt neither they are pretty boys
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I hear ya there!
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A tacky track does make for a better and sometimes faster race. but in the midwest this is what ya get. a rubbered up dry slick track. i understand inex puts in the rulebook you can run mirrors, i think its stupid. you dont see latemodel and modifieds or sprintcars running mirrors. Why do we? I think next year at Nationals were ever that may be. we need to vote and everyone say no to mirrors. Because mark my word. at nationals next year if we do run mirors and i can tell someone is mirror driving me. I will move them! i hate the mirrors and think its chicken s-it to run them on a dirt track especally!
Depends on what you call the "midwest". I'm not a fan of mirrors myself either, never used them, but really don't have a problem with others using them either. They're illegal at Beaver Dam, so I don't need to worry about it. If someone is looking in their mirror, I just think its more opportunity for them to mess up since they looking where they've been, not where they're going.
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northeast is good for me too .I vote twice once before work once after work after all we are the greatest dirt racers
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I will refrain from starting anything deriving from that last comment about greatest dirt drivers, although I prefer too....
~ The Gimpster ~
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here in the northeast we dont run mirrors on dirt neither they are pretty boys
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I am not a pretty boy but I do run one round mirror (2") on each A pillar pointing down and back at my rear tires
in 2003 I got tired of climbing over other racer's front wheel tearing out my rear ends not knowing the cars were there.
You guessed it, I can't hear cars on my left side as I am def in that ear from hot welding slag burning my eardrum in the late 80's
They also OK'd my small mirrors in my sprint car as with that hearing loss I cannot judge the sound of a car on eather side of me with a helmet on.
This be the reason I am for the mirror rule on dirt
Why is this feller taking cheap shots at us ?? saying I am no good at driving dirt and am a pretty boy for using mirrors... geezuz man ? they are a safety factor for open wheels
Gimpster
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I understand the reason that a lot f dirt tracks don't allow mirrors. And, I do agree that they can be more of a distraction that a help. I ran paved tracks and never used the mirror even though it was required. In the case of a hearing impairment, I do see where it could be helpful. For drivers that do use a mirror, I don't think most give them more than a quick glance. Now if a driver was using the mirror to put on makeup... ??? Perhaps they should ban fingernail files also. :P
Steve
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here in the northeast we dont run mirrors on dirt neither they are pretty boys
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I am not a pretty boy but I do run one round mirror (2") on each A pillar pointing down and back at my rear tires
in 2003 I got tired of climbing over other racer's front wheel tearing out my rear ends not knowing the cars were there.
You guessed it, I can't hear cars on my left side as I am def in that ear from hot welding slag burning my eardrum in the late 80's
They also OK'd my small mirrors in my sprint car as with that hearing loss I cannot judge the sound of a car on eather side of me with a helmet on.
This be the reason I am for the mirror rule on dirt
Why is this feller taking cheap shots at us ?? saying I am no good at driving dirt and am a pretty boy for using mirrors... geezuz man ? they are a safety factor for open wheels
Gimpster
You are kinda Purdy Gimp, what with me always being partial to redheads and all ;)
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I use mirrors and think of them as a safety factor. If I need to slide up to the wall I can give a quick glance and do it BUT if someone is there than I can hold the car down and neither of us gets torn up. I have heard the excuse of blocking but I feel that blocking is a self correcting problem. If you chop me off the first time you might have gotten loose but the second time you WILL get loose. If a race director see someone blocking than a simple call on the ol' raceceiver should fix the problem. The rules say that we can use them unless the track says NO. In the case of the Nationals the track should not have a say in this. OK now you have opinion that I know that you where all waiting on pins and needles to get. Have a great weekend and start getting ready for next year. I have to deploy tomorrow so I will be out for a day or two until I get set up again. Peace
Scott
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I can't get past the welding slag in the ear. I got a moth in my ear a few years ago and thought that it was bad. It's Gimpster's fault if I start having welder nightmares.
With the mirrors, that is one of those things that needs to be agreed between the track and INEX and on paper before cars start showing up.
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here in the northeast we dont run mirrors on dirt neither they are pretty boys
You are kinda Purdy Gimp, what with me always being partial to redheads and all ;)
I was a little grouchy last night !
Hey, I resemble that redhead remark... blonde of the strawberry variety !!
~ Gimpster ~
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I guess i should of just said Missouri on the dry slick tracks, not the midwest. and for the mirrors im just stating my opinion. i dont like them. there is a differents when its used for saftey. but 9 times out of 10. they will mirror drive you more then looking in to the mirror for saftey. as for somebody chopping ya in the corners. if the driver behind you hasent pulled to were you can see them. then thats your track your in front and the guy behind you has to figure out the best way to get around you with out taking you out. your driving your line and thats your race track. now if you pulled up next to the guy and he cuts down on you thats alot different. i think everybody on here knows what im talking about when it comes to the mirrors and people using them to block more then using them for saftey. If the guys that have them use them for saftey then ok great, all for them.
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I used to want tacky tracks and mud flying sufaces too. I also used to wonder why drivers like Larry Phillips, Billy Moyer and Scott Bloomquist wanted black somewhat dry sufaces. Its so because anyone who has the least little bit of talent can throw a car around on a tacky gumball surface, but it will take good car control and set up to get one around on a black slick track. And those guys were some of the best at doin that. I love a tacky mash the gas track but if I can do it so can the rest cause I'm old. How can i pass someone then if we're all running the same groove? i hope somewhere there is a track that doesn't get black and stays tacky top to bottom without a bunch of sloosh at the bottom.
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Come on up to Beaver Dam
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I can't get past the welding slag in the ear. I got a moth in my ear a few years ago and thought that it was bad. It's Gimpster's fault if I start having welder nightmares.
With the mirrors, that is one of those things that needs to be agreed between the track and INEX and on paper before cars start showing up.
Haha nightmares !!
On a creeper welding overhead with a stickwelder. The puddle exploded. I flinched and turned my head right. It just SIZZLED as it went in. 6 small holes burned through the eardrum and 1 big piece of slag burned the drum to the ear wall at about the 7 oclock position. The tissue in your temple that tightens up when you bite down is what they tried to reconstruct the ear drum with. It never worked. Had to learn how to balance all over. It screwed with my equilibirium...
LOL nightmare on Gimp Street... It's almost Halloween !! (insert theme song here from the Twilight Zone)
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Having that moth flapping inside my ear does not seem like that big of a deal anymore. Geez. :o
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Ahh just the name Larry Phillips makes me smile. That was the best guy that ever sat an ass in a race care. RIP Larry Phillips
Scott
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Hey Mr Scott when you get a chance can you email me uncle bubbas phone number ,me and John where talking about him today, you really have a great family.If you need anything this winter just give me a call looking for a reason to make it down your way.
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Larry Phillips was great. Dirt or asphalt. didnt matter, besides my Dad and uncle racing. back in the early and middle 80's he was my favorite driver. i was actually so ticked whenever he quit racing dirt and just raced asphalt. Can you believe when we made the trip to North Carolina last year for Nationals, no one at 600 racing ever heard of Larry Phillips. And there suppose to be the big asphalt guys. we couldnt believe it!
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Unfortunately, Inex will not go by the rules that the track has when it comes to a national event. I have been through this many times before and each time Inex says its their event, so they go by their rules. You could sit here and debate this forever but it's not going to change. I think there are pro's and con's to mirrors so it is what is it really. Just like mirror's people have had the same conversation with Inex about two way radios, in the Inex rulebook you are not allowed to use radio's but in Virginia you are allowed to, I don't know why but that's the way it is.
I hope things change for the better over the winter so next year everyone could have yet a better racing season. I know in the Northeast more tracks are having more races in 2011 and new tracks are bringing Legends in as well like Accord Speedway in NY.
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Oh i know they say its there event. And if there going to treat it like there event then they need to bring more then 2 people from inex. I wonder how many they brought from there own crew to the asphalt nationals. i bet more then 2...
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I don't believe USLC realizes how serious we take dirt racing.
Or... they prolly don't know as much about it as we all do about it.
One or the other ! LOL
They would have took a growler if 200 cars would have showed up for the nationals (wink)
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Gimp that would have been funny. I think more than USLC would have crapped their pants.
Its official I finished dead last in points in S/P points for the year on dirt. I really have to race more next year.
Vern I think that I bought a new chassis. I will be swapping everything over to it over the winter. My car full of gas weighed 1198 lbs. I know I'm fat but I don't need a fat race car too.
Scott
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My black car weight 1160 and my white car weights 1190 god knows what it weights with my fat aaaa in it lol
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My coupe is 1137 out of gas with 40 lbs of lead.
Hey Scott, you can't complain about points if you only race one time!
This was my worst full points year. Too many wrecks and 5 weeks of not being able to figure out that the hard-wired transponder was intermittently shorting out the fuel pump did me in. My other car (Dan) got 10th, just barely though.
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Now we are starting to get back to the "How You Doing 2010" thread... :)
I think Dan did well for his first year in the Legends Car. I know that he told me that he had a good time with the car this season. ;)
Hopefully we will see him back in the VMS sponsored car next season.
Jim, You had a rough year all around. Between the rough breaks with the race car, the wrecks and the economy... Well, lets just say that it wasn't your best season.
With any luck at all, the economy will come back around. I know you will give your car a thorough going over in the off season. Hopefully next season will bring you better results.
Scott, You just need to stop working so hard and get out there and race a bit more. Your finish at the Nationals shows that you are capable.
Looking forward to updates from everyone on the off season work and seeing pics of the new paint, cars, etc...
Steve
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Dan is back for next year, he signed a long term contract ;D
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Hope Dan got a signing bonus at least. ;)
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Hey Jim what kinda discount do I get on a new rim ? To replace the one you bent on my car ???? lol just kidding
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I'm already $9 per rim cheaper than 600...the shipping is what kills ya!
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I understans Jim I was just kidding......
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I know...I'll buy you a rim if you buy me an oil cooler ;D
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WHAT ???? you didnt get it ? I sent you a new fluidyn cooler a few weeks ago........
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%$#@^&% mailman...