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Offline RickyBobby

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left side vs right side
« on: March 07, 2008, 08:59:21 pm »
When you guys jack up your cars in the front does the left side supension stretch more than the right side?




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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 10:59:56 pm »
If your suspension is stretching, then you need to take out the rubber links that somebody put in as a joke, and install the proper aluminum and steel ones.  ;D

If your talking about the total extension of the front suspension system, it should be the same on both sides, (given that the coils are adjusted to the same height on both sides).    If it is not, then something is binding.  It could be a bent coil-over, a bad hiem-joint or steering ball joint.
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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 08:18:40 am »
There have been different manufactures of ball joints sold by 600 in years past, some have more side to side movement than others, if you have different make joints one or more may be limiting your up and down movement.

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 02:17:19 pm »
I am waiting on new ball joints as the Rt side one is bent a little.  I don't think it is binding but do you have any tricks to see if it is that ball joint causing the problem?

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 04:30:28 pm »
Take off the shock and make sure that it moves freely through the full stroke and also make sure that the suspension moves freely through the full range of motion.

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 04:32:21 pm »
I had the shock off to replace the spring.  It moves freely but it does not stretch out as much as the left side when the car is on jack stands.


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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 07:21:19 pm »
Pull the rubber covers off the ball joints and see if both or just one has went full travel and can't move any further.

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 11:24:20 pm »
Hmm..  Then something is bent or worn out.  Bust out the pickle fork and remove the ball joints.  Check to see if the post moves freely all the way around the cup of the joint.
If it does, than they are fine.  If you dont have zerk fittings in them, now would be a great time to get new joints on there with the fittings.
Before you pull the hiems, give them a goos shot of a teflon based lubricant such as Triflow. Work them around a bit, then check the suspension extension.  Hiems rarely bind,  But they can become stiff.
If this does not solve the problem, then one by one,  remove the mounting bolt's on a hiem joint. Replace the bolt with one thats a smaller size.  So you have a good amount of play/slop in the mount.  Drop the suspension  With any luck, the suupension will extend fully  when you pull the bad hiems bolt.
If they are all good, and there is no change, then its either your steering, or your frame/suspension is bent.
 
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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2008, 08:29:20 am »
Copied from another site." If both suspensions have the same spindles, then the drop resistance will
come from the ball joints used and/or the rock in your heims at the radius rods.
1) First the rocking heims, as the suspension moves up/down, the heims
rotate as well as rock inside/outside. They can rock only so far before they
run out of rock range and then bind up the suspension. Many times racers do not
center the heim rock when they tighten the jam nut. If you want more
down/rebound movement, then set the heim such that suspension will move more
before the heim rock locks it up.
2) There have been many different balll joints, aka tie rod ends,
sold by 600 Racing over the years. Each has its own range of movement. For a
couple of years, after the era of the Taiwan made, INEX stamped ball joints
which pulled apart, 600 Racing sold '4004' Moog ball joints made in USA. The
current ball joint which has been sold by 600 Racing since late last summer
carries a 5 digit number & is slightly different than the '4004' ball joint.
When both are fully lubricated and loosened up by holding the joint in a vise
and working the stem through full range of motion, I have found their range of
motion to be approx the same. So the different ball joints in the case should
not be a concern.
A question you need to answer is "should I be concerned about the
range of motion of the front suspension" with the shock unhooked and moving it
fully up/down. You should really be concerned only about the range of motion
which is needed by your race car when racing. Most setups for asphalt oval & RC
racing will not produce more than 2 1/2" shock movement (distance between max
rebound and max compression) during a race. Now for Gimpster running rutted
dirt tracks in the great north central USA, he may see 5 inches of movement.
For the asphalt racer, you probably have more than enough range of motion even
with heim rock and tight ball joints to satisfy your racing needs. The
guys/gals who need to be really concerned are the dirt racers. As Gimpster
already described a couple of days ago, dirt racers often have to go to the
extreme to find more suspension travel so they can keep their cars hooked up".


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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 10:25:11 pm »
So I changed all my ball joints tonight.  As soon as I unhook the right side the suspension dropped to be the same as the right side.  I put the new ball joints in and it doesn't extend as much as the left again.  Once I pu the tire back on I gave it a tug both directions and now I have play in it.  I think the inside heim on the upper A arm has some play in it now.


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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 10:30:24 pm »
So I changed all my ball joints tonight.  As soon as I unhook the right side the suspension dropped to be the same as the right side.  I put the new ball joints in and it doesn't extend as much as the left again.  Once I pu the tire back on I gave it a tug both directions and now I have play in it.  I think the inside heim on the upper A arm has some play in it now.

Control arm length(s), ball joint manufature, heim joint slop/bind, shock condition, and camber angles all affect the amount of drop the suspension will have when relaxed. The only car that the control arms should relaxe the same are on a road course car. I can tell you I have some of the faster cars carry the left front tire on accel , leaving the corner, which means that it has maximum crossweight load on the right rear for traction.

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 08:06:21 am »
So as long as everythign else is moving freely, don't worry about it is what you are saying

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Re: left side vs right side
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 03:20:59 pm »
So as long as everythign else is moving freely, don't worry about it is what you are saying

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