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LEGENDS => General => Topic started by: Gimpster on August 22, 2010, 01:11:08 pm
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http://legendsnation.com/news/2010/archive/08-21-Bruton-Smith-and-Ray-Evernham-Team-Up-to-Launch-New-Dirt-Track-Series-for-US-Legend-Cars.html (http://legendsnation.com/news/2010/archive/08-21-Bruton-Smith-and-Ray-Evernham-Team-Up-to-Launch-New-Dirt-Track-Series-for-US-Legend-Cars.html)
Oh Boy !!
~ Gimpster ~
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Hmmm??? Well if I could learn more about it, I might be interested. Lets see some specs on this thing.
Gartner
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well that would be nice, make a good dirt car and have a ton of older dirt car for sale to pavement guys and then the value of reg. legends cars drops like a rock...thanks
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There so ugly looking.....
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Looks like a midget/dwarf in-breeding piece of sh!t.
This better not catch on, Im not buying new "Legends"cars just so they can make some bucks when what I have is fine, I'll just move to a different class if I have to buy a different car.
Stupid move
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If you're already racing Legends on dirt, why would you take the chance of selling your car and buy this? Unless they offer some kind of trade in program for current Legends owners who want to switch to this series, who can afford to buy one not knowing if anyone else is going to get involved?
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I'm not interested in them.
What happened to USLC being nostalgic ?
This to me is a morphodite... doesn't resemble an older series of racing at all !!
We be fine with a good dirt tire and some better nerfs/bumbers or let us peel off the fenders on our existing cars if need be for dirt
Oh but wait... this thing gets produced our current chassis will not be legal for dirt anymore !
~ gimpster ~
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From what i'm reading this is just going to be a separate series (legends, thunder roadsters, bandoleros, and then this chassis??) or do they plan on phasing out the current car...? I guess not enough info released yet..
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From what i'm reading this is just going to be a separate series (legends, thunder roadsters, bandoleros, and then this chassis??) or do they plan on phasing out the current car...? I guess not enough info released yet..
Copy of a post on dirt tires from Yahoo Groops Legends Cars (not me posting it on there)
"No one in the Northeast is running Federals on dirt. From what I have been told
that you can not longer purchase BFG tires for asphalt. US Legends has scribed
the letter "D" into the sidewalls for just that reason. Another thing is once
the BFG's are gone they have discussed several options for a dirt tire, one may
be a Federal tire but with a tread pattern like the BFG's so you will have a
tire specifically for asphalt and another for dirt.
Also, I just heard word that Smith and Everham designed a new Legends chassis
just for dirt. You will not be able to use this chassis on asphalt, and you wont
be able to use the current legends chassis on dirt. They are going to release it
on Legendsnation.com."
~ Gimpster ~
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Gimpster it actually greatly resembles the Don Edmunds dirt super modified ran in the 60's. I'll post a link when I get home
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From what i have read this is a seperate division and everham is making his own rulebook and rules.. If they replace dirt for 600 with these cars... I can tell you all of the Guys in the northeast won't buy them.. At least i know i won't ... There just hurting this sport if they make us do this...
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http://www.legendscene.com/LegendScene/News082110_3.html
Read this.. It is not pushing us out.. Starting a new division ....
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People race Legends alot for the way they look. You want to run a dirt only type race car you have a Dwarf, Mod lite, micro / mini sprint not this. But IF this THING runs with the reg "legends" cars and works better and is faster than you WILL see people buy them
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http://www.legendscene.com/LegendScene/News082110_3.html
Read this.. It is not pushing us out.. Starting a new division ....
I just don't see them making all Legends dirt racers lose their rides..... Hope it works for them.
~ Gimpster ~
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Gimpster it actually greatly resembles the Don Edmunds dirt super modified ran in the 60's. I'll post a link when I get home
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Is that the dirt mod that is a cross between a sprint car and a late model ?
Center driver with wedge designed outer body panels ?
As we were discussing the topic on the way home from a WoO show last night, that is the style body/chassis I suggested during conversation
Funny how I log on this morning and a new chassis is the new topic for USLC on dirt
~ Gimpster ~
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Gimpster it actually greatly resembles the Don Edmunds dirt super modified ran in the 60's. I'll post a link when I get home
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Is that the dirt mod that is a cross between a sprint car and a late model ?
Center driver with wedge designed outer body panels ?
As we were discussing the topic on the way home from a WoO show last night, that is the style body/chassis I suggested during conversation
Funny how I log on this morning and a new chassis is the new topic for USLC on dirt
~ Gimpster ~
This looks like what they are basing it on:
http://donedmunds.com/fullsize/supermodified/pages/sm11.html
http://donedmunds.com/fullsize/supermodified/pages/sm4.htm
http://donedmunds.com/fullsize/supermodified/pages/sm2.htm
http://donedmunds.com/fullsize/supermodified/pages/sm8.htm
The back is more squared off in this legends car, but otherwise very similar look.
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Ok, now you're raising my interest !
~ G ~
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Ted,
I was thinking the same thing... Edmunds Dirt Mod! Was a cool car back in the day!!!
Guess I'm not the only old guy on the site. lol!!!
Steve
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Ted,
I was thinking the same thing... Edmunds Dirt Mod! Was a cool car back in the day!!!
Guess I'm not the only old guy on the site. lol!!!
Steve
Nah, I'm not old enough to remember this (I'm 34), but my dad is. When he saw this car that was the first thing he said, was that it looked exactly like that Don Edmunds car he remembered from the 60's. I do remember seeing this car or similar when the "vintage" cars used to show up for show at races back when my dad was racing midgets and sprint cars in the 80's though.
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Ahh, so your just a pup. lol! Dad still has a keen eye! ;)
I remember buying that issue of Hot Rod Magazine. :o :o :o
It will be interesting to see all the oppinions on this new series. Since you posted the thread, it has gotten quite a few hits and a lot of responses. Jason (LN) and Tracy (LS) are both members here on the site. Haven't seen Jason on in quite awhile, but Tracy checks in regularly. Perhaps they will enlighten us on any news as to these cars.
Steve
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As long as they are not going to do anything to make racing the current legends car on dirt any more difficult, I only see this catching on at tracks that do not already have legends cars. Cannot imagine that they would outlaw racing the current cars on dirt. If I was running the company for a day, I would not keep adding new classes, but focus on the ones you already have.
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This new car looks very similar to the Jet Coupe produced by Terry Plummer & company. Terry raced Legends on asphalt for years with the RMLRA in the Denver area He has been National Points Champion in the Asphalt Masters Division and is one hell of a racer and a gentleman to boot!
I've seen the prototype car run on asphalt and it really flies, I believe it was almost 1.5 to 2.o seconds faster than the Legends and dwarfs. The car can also be set up for Dirt racing.
Terry has raced many different classes over the years and has incorporated what is considered all of the positives from each of the classes into the Jet Coupe.
http://jetcouperacing.com/default.aspx
With the economy the way it is quite a few new micro racer classes and cars are becoming popular, I guess USLCI is trying to either trying keep up or get ahead of the competition.
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IF this is a New class then fine, but if it will race with the car of today then..why I dont get it. Just give you dirt guys some real tires and be done with it
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So what happens to the guys that run Asphalt but would like to be able to run dirt every once in awhile? I was wanting to run both with the same car but if we would need a whole seprate car to run dirt then I can kiss running dirt goodbye.
I know a couple of guys that have one car and have switched between Asphalt and Dirt to run different races. This all but kills that kind of racer.
Gerad
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The same for the other way around. We have a few guys that will run asphalt on Friday and Dirt on Saturday...that'll stop if this is a true change of the car. I think adding a class is stupid, just takes away from the already low car counts. They should just put there money into something else...LIKE FINDING A DIRT TIRE FOR NEXT YEAR!
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I'm thinking that anyone mentions dirt tire inside USLC's building, they get shot or fired...
~ Gimp ~
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Buy me a ticket to NC then, I'll stand there with a bull horn, wearing only a speedo and a sombrero full of fruit like Charro and yell "DIRT TIRE>>>DIRT TIRE>>>DIRT TIRE" until they shoot me.
Its simple.
They have a contract with Hoosier already.
Hoosier makes a hard compound 13" tire.
Case closed.
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That is a mental picture that will take awhile to go away. Maybe some naked models protesting like PETA does would work better.
I would imagine that they will have to pick a dirt tire for next year. The Federals just do not sound like they will work. Even though dirt legends racing is not their priority, I do not think that they would want to risk loosing that many customers.
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Ok I just threw up a little Jim. THere are guys running the Federals on dirt in ND. THey don't work on a dry slick. No one has had a chance on a tacky track since no one here knows how to do
a tacky track. LOL..... THe only plus side is they are lighter and softer. If they have a contract with hoosier, I guess its a no brainer...... lets get a DIRT TIRE!!!!
I just dont want them to weed out the current chassis on dirt. I will sell my car and go to a different class.... say a sprint.
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Im ready to go Camping World Truck Series racing if they get rid of the current chassis for Legends. $8,800 to start and park and they never have a full field so you're guaranteed to make the show. All I need is a chassis, we can build the motor, trans, and rear end in-house...or, just give us a friggin tire to run Legends on the dirt
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The whole topic of a new chassis and incoming e-mails yesterday opened some horizons here. I was looking for a 360 sprint chassis for a while. An old email was replied to me that I thought had gone south. I haven't taken anyone up on anything yet , but there is a dirt late model option open for me. ( I know late model chassis as well as I do Legends for set-ups etc..)
I look at it this way in a nut shell... If USLC is introducing a dirt chassis, giving us dirt legends owners a good dirt tire will kill any purpose of us buying one of the dirt chassis from them. Basically... we won't get a dirt tire on Legends looking at the issue from a business standpoint (mainly their view, which I anticipate). They'll stick us with a federal like the SS-657 or the Formoza FD1
Classified section of my board there is 3 Legends for sale.... one is mine.
As of now we are looking to get away from Legends
~ Gimpster ~
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In the link it said
more powerful engine
I wonder what that will be.
I race RC but I feel that the Dirt & Asphalt market keeps up the value of the Legends in general. (In fact, I doubt there would even be any Legends RC if it wern't for Dirt & Asphalt.)
I thought the Thunder Roadsters were aimed at the RC racers but there just aren't enough of them out there. Even though I think the Thunder cars would be better for RC, I went with the Legends because of Popularity. It is my guess that even though this new class may be a better dirt car, it will end up being a non-popular specailty car with not enough racers to properly support itself.
This weekend, INEX Executive Director Darrel Krentz was at Hallett raceway in Oklahoma. I asked him how may Legends RC racers were out there. He told me out of approx. 3,000 Legends racers, 10% were RC or about 300.
Does anyone know the percentage that are Dirt and Asphalt?
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I actually laughed myself off the chair. ;D THats a great idea!!!
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I just talked to Jason Foxworthy at US Legends because I already hear rumors and wanted to get as close to a straight answer as possible. He said that this new class is an additional class and will not replace the current car as a dirt racing chassis. He said it is exactly like the introduction of the Thunder Roadster in that both continue to compete on the same tracks, just in different divisions.
On a side note, I wonder if they are trying these new cars out at the best place. East Lincoln doesn't get a very good car count and it seems like dirt racers in that area are kind of like second class citizens. Nothing against the place at all (well, pretty bad track at the Nationals, but we already beat that dead horse), but there is a lot of asphalt oval racing around there. I can't blame folks for liking asphalt. I've never run it, but I have thought it would be really nice, especially the day after the race when I'm trying to clean up the car :)
Rick
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Has anyone seen one of these cars? Just woundering what they are going to look like.
Scott
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These are the press release prototype pictures
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Probably just doing the first season at one track close to their HQ so that they can keep an eye on how it goes in actual competition. Also having Ray involved at his track will bring it some good PR.
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Jim,
Where did you get that photo at? Is there a web site that we can go to?
Scott
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Its on Legendsnation.com
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I think it is a good thing that they are looking at a dirt car for USLC. I know we need a lot more info before all the votes are in but it looks like a good start. Time will tell.
Scott
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Phone call with Mike Patrick today.... He did research with USLC and Terry Plummer (Jet Coupe).
This is the oots of the deal. Ray Everham has always had a dream and being an old modified racer, this chassis tickled his fancy. He is using his ties with SMI to further making the dream a reality. USLC may just be in this to produce the chassis in their facility. It may not even be sanctioned by USLC. This means that he will be running the division which pending growth may just end up sanctioned by USAC or simular body. Who knows
This may benefit us dirt racers of the Legends variety in the long run. If USLC produces these cars for Ray, they should have to set up a tire company for dirt on that chassis. GoodYear, Hoosier or Mc Creary or what ever... It could roll over into a tire deal for our current Legends on Dirt. It should also lead to an improved nerf bar system or maybe even an improved entry roof area for the cars. Who knows ? No doors would make our current chassis stronger anyway.
Basically our current chassis is still the dirt chassis for Legends and prolly will be with improvements for a while.
~ Gimpster ~
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Looks nothing like a legends car.... Take a great sport an make another pos c.o.t.
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I just talked to Jason Foxworthy at US Legends because I already hear rumors and wanted to get as close to a straight answer as possible. He said that this new class is an additional class and will not replace the current car as a dirt racing chassis. He said it is exactly like the introduction of the Thunder Roadster in that both continue to compete on the same tracks, just in different divisions.
On a side note, I wonder if they are trying these new cars out at the best place. East Lincoln doesn't get a very good car count and it seems like dirt racers in that area are kind of like second class citizens. Nothing against the place at all (well, pretty bad track at the Nationals, but we already beat that dead horse), but there is a lot of asphalt oval racing around there. I can't blame folks for liking asphalt. I've never run it, but I have thought it would be really nice, especially the day after the race when I'm trying to clean up the car :)
Rick
I agree with you Rick. Us guys that run at ELS and Carolina are like second class citizens. Nobody really cares for the legends on dirt around here. We're not going to buy a brand new car for this when nobody cars for them. The promotion sucks around here for the dirt legends. I personally don't think this new car will fly around here with everybody being dirt late model hungry around here. Maybe a lil further north where the sprints and modifieds are bigger. JMO
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The latest issue of Circle Track March 2011 (arrived today) has a several page article on the Evernham/USLC dirt modified. The article has some new unpublished info, however it mostly rehashes what we have already heard and know.
I guess they're going to make the major marketing push, although I don't think the car will do much better in sales and popularity than the Thunder Roadster.
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