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LEGENDS => General => Topic started by: VMS Motorsports on October 31, 2013, 10:02:08 am
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2014 INEX license forms are on the USLC website.
Save $30 if sent in by the end of this year
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What a fricken joke man ? They always want there money ? Where the he'll is the any of the write up or pics from the dirt nats that just happened ?
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Can't agree with you more Vern....very disappointed too... :(
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Sorry, thought people might want to save a few bucks. My bad for mentioning it
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I always send mine in early to save a few bucks. Jim I got the catch can. Nice piece and thanks.
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Jim,
Please don't take the wrong way...Thanks for posting. We ALL appreciate your assistance. :)
Mark
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I appreciate the heads up on the savings!!
As to the coverage and care of the National events. There was not a lot on the Asphalt Nationals either. I will say USLC has down sized over the last few years and it has made things disappear and lack the proper attention they deserve. The web, the tech training, dealer contact, coverage of events on and on. Sometimes just because your financial numbers are good, it does not mean the health of your corporation is stable and the vitals are strong and healthy. Just my opinion!
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I will agree with that. Though USLC always seems to get smaller this time of year, this time they seem to have bigger problems.
I've been told the dirt modifieds are not selling and their investment was big.
Anyone else smelling trouble?
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There was trouble with the dirt mods right from the get go. Pavement folks could care less, and people already running legends cars on dirt didn't want to put out money for a new chassis. There was a lot of discussion on this in some old threads.
Steve
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I sent my membership application in several weeks ago and haven't heard a thing. Any idea how long INEX takes to process applications?
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I got my packet at the end of May last year. Sent check in November. So probably going to be a little bit. ;D
Tony
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don't worry if you need a lic number before a race you call them and get your number..
joe
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This has been an ongoing problem for many years. INEX wants your money (yes, you can save a few bucks by sending it in early); But, they are very slow about sending it out to you. Jim and Dennis have been helpful in the past about checking on your license number. INEX is also bad about supplying necessary deacals sometimes. (Just a heads up)
Rulebooks are notoriusly slow also.
Steve
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I just checked, and they haven't even started issuing numbers yet. It will likely be at least a few weeks still. Could be into May if like last year.
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I've been at 600 for the last two days , the rule books are not in yet and they are trying to sort out all the forms right now there isn't no issue date set yet ?
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hey just wanted to ask if there are any new rules this year( minus the one about head and neck safty). ie car set up part needed or changes to anything?
thanks
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I've not heard of anything yet, other than engine seals. Doesn't mean that the rulebook may/ or may not have something new when it comes out. Another ongoing problem with INEX. Perhaps Dennis, or someone, has some insight.
Steve
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I did hear some talk of rules and fines about the new seals all I can say is if half the stuff I heard this week is true it's going to get worse.
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Keep seeing Legends drum brake assemblies for sale on ebay and so forth. Now that the Wilwood front brake assemblies are on a lot of cars these days, how much longer before rear disc brakes are going to be included??? Not difficult to install either. Just pop off the rear brake drum and backing plate assembly, install disc brake bracket, slide on disc brake hub on axle, install caliper and you're all set. Plus as all racing is the days, lighter and less weight overall. These parts seem to be readily available as I've seen them first hand on a Legends car(not competing in circle track racing). Guess we'll see as time will tell.... ::)
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If the new seal protest rule is implemented in the new rule book its a great tyhing. I am not sure the rule has had all the details worked out yet, so I am not sure it will make the book. There has been no method of protesting an engine, the main reason has been because if its sealed there is no need to look at these motors. There had been way too many protests done for the wrong reasons and it became a mess. The problem is there was no rule for racers to challenge an engine they felt had been tampered with. Phase one = Install new style seals on all motors. Why, because when USLC opens the seal, they can tell if its been tampered with. Phase two= Implement a seal protest rule, the racer can file a $100 dollar claim, the seal is removed and a temp. seal installed. The seal goes to Charlotte for inspection. This is a check and balance system that gives the racer the chance to protest without disrupting the race season of others for the wrong reasons. This is a good rule, in the past we had no path for the racer whos says "I know that motor is illegal". Now you can protest the seal.
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uh, they are going to issue replacement seals to the different Tracks/Tech Men?
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I can not answer the question in full at this time. I only know some details of the rule as it was discussed. I am not sure where USLC is at with the rule at this time. I believe these seals will be highly monitored and possibly removed and installed by the tech. There will also be random seal removal by the techs at tracks everywhere. If we are having a sealed [rogram we need checks and balances to keep it fair.
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I have a great idea. Get rid of seals and get some tech people to check motors. Spent a couple of days in USLC this week and more to follow later but the seal program is not the answer.
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I had to purchase a motor so I could finish running the Superior trailer Winter Series. it had the old seals on it so I took it to USLC to Dyno and seal it. I personally feel like I made to feel like I was trying cheat because they told me the seals that were on it had been tampered with. why wouldn't they want me to bring a motor in if had no idea if they had been tampered with to insure the motor wasn't cheated up?
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I think that is the idea behind getting updated seals.
Gives them a chance to check things out with sealed engines.
Try not to take too much offense... I think (or would like to) that they suspect any older engines.
Steve
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Ya I agree that the whole purpose is to check these motors and get all of them on an equal page so the program can move forward and hopefully the tech [rogram and the protest program will help keep the system moving in the right direction. What were you chatged for the dyno and reseal service?
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On the rear brake system, I am told it has been tested, but don't expect it to happen this year. Maybe for 2015, but time will tell.
yes, the system is out there, as it is used on the thunder roadsters currently. I think it is the next big change in Legends, and cant wait for it to happen. Nothing worse than drum brakes on a race car....
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I don't know that I am offended as much as I am baffled. Why would you not want folks to bring their motors in even if they do know that the seals have been tampered with? Even playing field, right? Or more worried about bottom line? Maybe disappointed is the correct word I should use.
Robert
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ok, I AM ALSO BAFFLED NOW. No one is being penalized or judged by bringing any motor to USLC for reseal. If the motor is wrong it could cost to make it right. No one is being labelled or named. I do not understand your direction. There are alot of motors that have been done by others, then sold to unknowing buyers either in cars or simply sold as a legeal motor. This is the time to check motors and make them right so the program canget back on its wheels. If you are CAUGHT at the track its a different story.
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My direction? I just stated my experience just very recently. What is your direction?
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My direction is very clear as in every post I make. I am a dealer and I present the facts and direction of USLC as best I can. I answer all questions honestly and help anyone I can. I dont backdoor anyone, I tell it the way it is. If you disagree with the program just say it. No big deal, if you disagree that is fine and anyone has the right. The time USLC spends to reseal every motor is not a money maker. The time spent on the motors I have seen them do is hardly worth the fee to check and reseal them. If your motor is illegal and has to be brought into spec because it was done outside the parametetrs of the rule book you have NO right to ticked . I am not trying to convince anyone to be onboard. The fact is this is the rule book we all have, they all read the same and we all have the responsibility to make sure our cars are legal. If it is so upsetting to anyone, they have options.
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Let's see, I wasn't going in any direction except to share my experience. I wasn't back footing anyone. I too am someone presents the facts but not as I believe them to be but rather as they truly are after careful investigation. As it turns out I don't agree with the program and have stated so, but that is not what this about. Again, I was just sharing MY personal experience with the program so far. Take it as you wish. By the way, even though I don,t agree with the program I am trying to comply to the fullest. The reason I was there, as I stated, was to insure the motor I bought was within the parameters. If it wasn't then I would I have had to have made to be or not race it.
Robert
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What was your experience? What did they charge you? Did you take multiple motors? Please share your experience of the process(good or bad), thanks.
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I have spoken to both John Hagen (INEX) and Brian Porter (USLC Engine Shop) about this at length. For the matter of engine rebuilds, INEX and USLC are 100% separate. If an engine comes in to the engine shop, either for rebuild or just reseal, and it is found to be illegal, there is NO PENALTY. Yes, you will pay to get it built to spec, but USLC is not the enforcer of rules. INEX is. If you are at a track racing, and the inspector checks your seals and they are found to be illegal, as Scott Reinhardt told me, watch out cause the hammer will fall. Because the inspectors fall under INEX.
INEX creates and enforces rules.
USLC builds and sell cars and parts.
Again, as far as the engine shop goes, what happens there, stays there.
Brad
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Well they just cashed the check I sent. They got theirs so we'll see how long it takes to get mine! ;D
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I think that is very fair on the engines...
joe