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BANDOLEROS => Setup & Handling => Topic started by: free2race on March 08, 2009, 03:52:48 pm
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Looking for some help with a new bando. We plan on doing some racing at Monroe,Louisana. Any help would be great. I think I'm pretty close on the gear. But the springs in the rear have me at a loss.
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Pm sent....
Geoff
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Thanks for helping out, Geoff!
Steve
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No problem ;)...
Geoff
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Mr. Steve I would like to thank you for all your help. Maybe we should stick with the karts, but these cars are really fun to watch. If the weather holds off. We plan on racing this weekend. I'll let you know how he does.
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I knew someone here would help you out. ;)
Great bunch of people on our site!
Best of Luck!!!
Steve
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Were you racing this weekend
And the fastest way to drive these cars is to have the rear kicked out.
Chance 8)
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We had plan to race at Monroe,LA but the weather has set in and they cancelled. So I guess next weekend will tell the tell if the new setup will work for us. I would like to thank everyone that sent emails and especially Mr. Gil Sr. for his knowledge and help with everything.
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Gil has been pretty quiet lately. Would like to hear from him.
Nice guy to talk to!
Steve
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I think I kept Mr. Gil on the phone for about a hour. From talking to him he's forgotten more than I will ever know.
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LOL!
He's a pretty smart guy! ;)
I would just like to hear more from him.
We don't get a lot of Bando info anywhere on the net. Believe me.... I have done a lot of searching!
There is more info on this site than anywhere!
Geoff also has a lot of insight. Hasn't shared all of it here on the site.... Yet! ;)
But has helped more than a few!
I hope that you got all your questions answered. I also hope that you will pass along what you have learned to others that ask for help.
I have gone as far as I was able to help on BandoStuff.com. I tried to help Ed get the site going. The west coast folks don't seem to want to even share how they are doing thus far. I am embarrassed to say that I am even from the same area as most of these folks. I grew up in the southern California area. The only Bando (and Legends) racing here in Montana, is a couple hundred miles away from where I live. I am not able to get up there right now. I did race mods at Stateline, Idaho... And they now race Legends and Bandos. I also raced in Washington State. They now race there also. There ARE people that have insite! Most , just are unwilling to share. WHY? I couldn't tell you. I guess it's some kind of big secret! It could only help the sport if more people were willing to share
Until the Bando group is willing to share, there is not much I , or this site, can do to help. Sharing info will only help to expand the sport. There is lots of info shared between Legends and Dwarf car drivers and crews. Not so with the Bando group. I find that rather sad. It would make for not only good racing, but would help expand the sport for the beginning drivers.
Steve
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Look up KnucleBuster while you are at Monroe! He's new there too. ;)
Good people!
Steve
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Mr. Steve, the car was coming around. But I think the motor went "south". One guy was really rolling and I mean he was wicked fast. Mr. Gil the setup really freed the car up too.
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What's up with the engine?
Steve
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make sure you only put 28 oz of oil in the motor. should show a tumb nail on the end of the dip stick. Check you overfill jug after ever race. Overfill this motors and it will blow out the case plug or take out your valves and rocker arm. Use heavy duty valve springs change after 3 to 5 races . check for blown head gasket. I wiLL look up what size gas jets I used that gave us about 1.75 more hp. We had the car on a dyno for 8 hrs of testing. Came up with the best between 6 diff jets. glad the setup helped seat time seat time seat time if he is not spinning out give him more power.
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I checked the oil and it's good. It didn't "puke" in the catch can. A possible gear change is coming.
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Well, we just got finished changing out the motor on the bando. Checked compression,plugs and wires. Then we checked the clutch and it was fried. My driver said it felt like it was losing power. Probably because the clutch was slipping. New body will be finished tomorrow.
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Well, we just got finished changing out the motor on the bando. Checked compression,plugs and wires. Then we checked the clutch and it was fried. My driver said it felt like it was losing power. Probably because the clutch was slipping. New body will be finished tomorrow.
I have heard that cluthes can be a problem. I do not know what brand of clutch 600 Racing sells, or is INEX legal. Rules do not specify the brand, just the catch all phrase "as delivered by 600 Racing". So, the best I can determine, maybe a change in springs would help. Keep the drum clean. And, sand or scuff the the shoes as necessary.
Can't wait to see some pics of the car with the new body! :)
Steve
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we used the brown springs on both oval and flat track with great results. always check the shoes for thickness and cracks right by the edge of the bracket. after 3 races clean and check
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These bodies on these cars are a pain in the butt to install. If the doors don't fit then the tail section doesn't fit then the bumper cover doesn't fit. One thing leads to another. The new motor is in and fired off. I guess these bodies fit the newer cars like a glove.
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Steve is right these west coast Bando guys are a hard bunch to get going! Don't give up on us just yet though. There are a whole lot mre cars back east and you guys had a head start on us!
I hope some of the following info might help:
Bandos just look different than karts. The same rules seem to apply. The biggest difference is you can adjust cross weight with spring adjusters on the shocks. there is some fiddling with spring rates but that is fine tuning after the driver gets very comfortable and able to provide accurate feedback.
Most folks start with a 250/150 spring and 47-49% cross weight, as much front weight as you can get. Some of our guys go to lighter springs after the driver gets comfortable.
Rear Stagger between 0 and 3/4" Cut tires seem to last longer and offer some grip advantage. Tires seem to take some running in to be good. Be patient and thourough when breaking in a new or rebuilt motor.
Gear it where it hits the rev-limiter at the end of the straight and then back off on the axle 1 tooth......repeat as necessary.
For a road course we used a 125, 150, or 175 spring (each side). As the driver got better we increased the spring rate. Castor +3 on each sied and camber about -2 on each side. We did lots of work on the brakes. The biggest issue was fluid boiling. We settled on Wilwood 570 fluid and had no further problems.
PM me, Send me a PM, E-mail me, or call me if I can help in any way.
Ed
racerigs@earthlink.net
928-486-7740
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The Clutches are made by Noram and also used in Mini Cup Cars. Parts are available from 600 racing or http://www.apskarting.com/ (http://www.apskarting.com/)
Color Engagement Speeds
Brown 2200
Red 2500
White 2800
Blue 3100
Purple 3400
Green 3700
Plain 4000
Most use the red or brown spring. the clutches come with the red spring. Some I know have expermented with white or blue but that is getting very specialized. I don't think I would consider the others.
Be sure to service the clutch at least every couple of races. The rulebook requires a minimum shoe thickness of .180" but they will usually crack before that. If any measure less than <.190" or are cracked, replace all three as a set. Use a "flapper" type sanding wheel to de-glaze the clutch drum and clean up the shoes with some sanding or light grinding. If the fibre washer is damaged or missing install a new one. This will help keep excess grease off the shoes/durm. Lightly grease the bearing when assembling the clutch.
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc357/k52racing/P1010175.jpg)
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc357/k52racing/P1010177.jpg)
(http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc357/k52racing/P1010184.jpg)
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The holes in the drum,did it come that way? Because that would be a good way to release heat form these things. Anyone got a idea on a possible gear selection. On a 3/8 12degree concrete track?
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Sent you a PM
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Thanks for that info Ed!
I was guessing that it was a Noram clutch, but was not 100% sure.
Lots of places to buy parts from.
This is turning in to a very informative thread!!!
My Thanks to everyone for their input!
Steve
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I think this post has or is going to help everyone looking for help with these cars. If you have anything that would help, please post it. Then the racing up front will look awesome,instead of everyone else finishing a lap down.
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I refuse to let this post die. Let's have some more input on the subject.
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I'm still here with you! ;)
It is really hard to get information for the Bando cars.
The most info I have found so far is posted here on legendsracer. There is some usable info on some of the go kart sites. Bob's is one of my favorites: http://karting.4cycle.com/
BandoStuff has most of what is posted here, as he is a member here on legendsracer. http://bandostuff.suddenlaunch3.com/
I have some set up info from a few members. I was asked not to post it, but would be happy to share. Tom Q. listed a pretty good starting point for anyone new to Bando cars.
http://www.legendsracer.com/index.php?topic=46.15
The engine manual download is good also.
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/pdf/illustrated_parts_list/100/MS0670.pdf
That's a pretty good amount of information as far as Bandos go. What would be nice is for people to post tips and tricks they have learned. The clutch cleaning tips and pics that Ed posted will likely help a lot of new folks. This one on chain lube is good too. http://www.legendsracer.com/index.php?topic=109.0
That is the kind of info that more people need, and want to know. Post anything you find relevant. I'm sure there is someone that would appreciate the info. I know I would! It helps me to understand the Bando cars a little better.
Steve
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Mr. Steve, I'm also all over 4cycle. We have been racing karts for 5 years in Mississippi. The kart knowledge has helped alot. But when you add springs to the rearend it throws me a curve. We plan on going over to Monroe this weekend. New everything but the chassis. I finally got the body on and the numbers will be on tonite. I'll get Mitchel to post some pics tonite. LET'S KEEP IT GOING
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i know this is old but caster and camber help. ask tristan!
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Hehehee Yes try adjusting your caster and camber! ;D ;D ;D It helped so much; and I got new tires!!! It handled so much better with the adjustments!
Tristan