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BANDOLEROS => Setup & Handling => Topic started by: Billy13 on September 19, 2012, 08:05:39 am
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Our last couple races my son has been carrying the LF wheel through the turns. Is this ok on these cars? My thinking is it is do to less friction and the under powered engine but then again he is only on 3 wheels so not sure. Thanks.
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I have seen cars really fast on all four through the whole corner and have seen them just as fast on just three. I would say if his lap times are good, then don't worry too much about it.
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A race kart with a lot of cross will carry the left front through the turns.
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Going to agree with Scott, though I have not heard of Bando cars lifting the left front to that extreme.
As long as as he is able to handle the car. :-\
Steve
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Pardon my ignorance, but how are these suspended?
If on a banked track and no front suspension, it would always carry the Lf...no?
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Jim,
Coilsovers in the rear and go kart type front end. These things do not normally have enough power to carry the front end too much. Not that they can't... Just not normally. Thinking his set up is way off . You would need some serious power to carry the left front through the corner.
Steve
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Thanks for all the replies. He handled it fine. We ran a gear rule all year and they lifted it the last couple races to prepare for the nationals. He just started carring it since changing gears. It is a high banked track.
Steve I am more then happy to send you my setup to look over LOL. About the only way to get the LF down is to stiffen the RR I am guessing. Was also thinking that 3 wheels is less friction then 4 LOL.
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Would love to see your set up. As Jim mentioned, it is easier to carry the left front on a high banked track. Normally, that is not the problems that I get requests for. Most of the Bando requests are for relatively flat tracks or tracks that make an abrubt change from flat to banked.
Yes, stiffen the right rear sping to help plant the left front wheel.
Yes, it would be less friction. But, is he able to control the car with the left front wheel in the air. If yes, and he is fast; then I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Steve
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What is your email? we where recently at a much less banked track and he still carried it. Well was going to post a picture but can't figure it out LOL.
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justfreaky@3riversdbs.net
Send me the pick and I will post it for you.
Steve
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Will get together and send in a few mins.
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This is dirt experience and Captain Morgan talking of course, so I could be way off, but you are seeing the dirt mods and late models planted more now than before when they were hiking the lf 2 feet off the ground.
Knowing nothing about Bando's, I would stiffen the right rear.
Theory being no left front, reduced right rear. Hes using the left rear to drive off.
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Thanks for all the comments I think my main worry was if I needed to get it on the ground or if it was ok in the air. His main concern always seems to be Loose which I atributed to him turning to much to stay away from the wall. He has hit 2x this year.
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Hey Billy,
Thanks for the set up sheet. Will give it a good look.
I'll resize the pic and post it tomorrow.
Sure enough, He's got that left front off the ground!
Not like the sprints or mods; But it is off the ground.
That's some serious bite you are getting!!!
That could be what is causing your loose condition.
Steve
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I think it is even worse on our own track with the high bank LOL. No pictures of that one though. My sons pro challenge track was doing it at that track. Had to stiffen the rr spring
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Sure enough! Carrying the left front.
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Toting the LF is ok for a 2-3 lap qualifying run and will be really quick. But in race conditions, the RF will start to "give up" after 6-8 laps, depending on the track and tire pressures, due to increased heat. After this happens, the car will start to push center off, and get progressively worse as the RF builds more heat and the laps count down. When this happens, the nose goes up the track from center - off, and driver starts putting more wheel into it, trying to make it turn left....which causes the car to "snap loose" once you have scrubbed off enough speed with the wheels turned and the RF finally "bites". This condition is usually caused by too soft of a spring in the RR and/or too stiff on the LR. another culprit is not enough caster on LF. My experince over the past 6 yrs with Bando's is that this condition shows up worse on flatter tracks, as the higher banked tracks tend to shift more weight onto the LF when cornering. JMO, but I hopes this helps.
Mike Hudson
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We started the year with LF 175 RF 300, then changed to LF 100 RF 225 after talking with INEX.