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LEGENDS => Setup and Handling => Topic started by: MegaMang on December 31, 2007, 11:41:07 pm
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My legend is a 34 ford sedan, and weighs 1167 lbs. No lead, that's just the car. I think the last two drivers had so much success with this car because they weighed nothing. ;D
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I'm guessing I will weigh in at about 1180- 1200# minus my 146#.
Told ya I was skinny!
:ROLLIN:
Steve
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37 Dodge coupe, 1172 with a full tank of gas and one 20lb. block of lead.
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gramps05, are you by any chance as skinny as Steve? I do envy those of you slim enough to add lead to come up to the 1300 mark. Going to have to work on that next. Might have to sew my mouth shut for this one!
Thanks,
Mike
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My 34 coupe weighs in at 1157 with the old body and no lead. My dad's car (34 coupe) weighs in at 1145 with no lead and newer body and lots of body repairs. He still has the weight advantage at 165 pounds versus my 225.
Geoff
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MegaMang, I own and crew chief the car, my Grandson is the driver......
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Thanks for clearing that up Gramps. I was starting to picture a wizened little old man dropping his walker to climb into the car.
elimn8u, at least you still have a weight advantage over me. Smile!
Mike
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What we're looking at so far is
34 Ford sedan: 1147 (My lead sled with fuel it's 1167)
34 Ford sedan: 1107 (RB - that just isn't fair)
34 Ford Sedan: 1151
34 Ford coupe: 1157
34 Ford coupe: 1145
34 Ford coupe: 1135
34 Ford coupe: 1101 (Go Frank, go!)
37 Dodge coupe: 1152
37 Chevy sedan: 1111
37 Chevy sedan: 1130
37 Chevy sedan: 1130
37 Chevy sedan: 1141
Surely there must be some others out there willing to list their weight.
Thanks for the info guys.
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All I know is I weigh 250 and my doctor says Im too fat...the car, dont know. I'll scale it when its put back together! ;D
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34 Ford Sedan and it came in at 1140 with 15lbs of lead. They were not my scales so I am not sure how accurate it is.
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Mike,
I strap my walker on the left rear of the car to use as weight.
;) :D ;D
:o
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Somebody has been taking extra funny pills today. ;D
From the sounds of it you could strap an extra car to the fender and still come in under weight. Y'all might want to starting eating a bit more!
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I agree with Mike. Being the fattest guy at the track, I would like to impose a moratorium on skinny guys...Ive never seen so many 150 pound adult males in my life!
; ;D :D :) :-\ :( >:(
EAT SOMETHING DAMMIT!
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Well said.
I'm going to go eat a piece of cheesecake now.
Hey VMS,
What you doing to your car that you have it all apart?
Mike
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I bought it mid-season last year and just figured since we have a seven #@%&^$% month long off season I might as well take it apart! I had been having some electrical problems (only in the garage, never at the track, luckily), so I figured since the body was off, I'd just go through everything, happily, nothing too ugly to report yet! I'll probably lose a pound of cobbled together wiring repairs and electrical tape, so save some cheesecake for me!
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Anybody else want to share their car's weight?
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Mine is 1130 minus me, I am 6'4" and weigh 230 pounds, I remember at the 2004 nationals, the tech guy told me I was under the weight limit...after I stopped laughing, I told him the car needed to be centered on the pads, Oh your ok now he says, I still laugh about that.
Mike.
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Update: Removed 2 lbs 7 oz of electrical tape, connectors, a junction box, and excess wire from behind the dash...much prettier now...hope it still runs!
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So long as you didn't let out the magic smoke, it'll still run!
Mike
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Mine is 1130 minus me, I am 6'4" and weigh 230 pounds, I remember at the 2004 nationals, the tech guy told me I was under the weight limit...after I stopped laughing, I told him the car needed to be centered on the pads, Oh your ok now he says, I still laugh about that.
Mike.
What model are you running Mike?
Mike
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Here is a neat trick for you bigger guys. You will need a wooden dowel about 3' long, a sharpie marker and an accurate way to measure fuel. the car needs to be fairly level.
Disconnect your fuel line at the carb and pump out all the fuel into a container with the fuel pump.
Put the dowell in to the fuel tank and push it all the way to the bottom. Pull it out and mark it. This is your "empty" mark.
Now put in exactly 1 gallon of fuel and measure that amount with the stick and mark it "1 gal."
Put in a second gallon and measure it again and mark the stick "2 gal."
Now make 10 or 20 laps and measure again with the stick and then pump out the fuel again into something that will allow you to measure how much is left in the tank above empty.
This will tell you how many laps you get per measured amount of fuel. The stick can be used to gauge how much you need to add when in the pits given the number of laps you expect to make.
Each gallon of fuel weighs about 8 lbs. You don't want to put in any more than you have to in order to make weight AFTER the race.
Don't forget that this will have a major effect on the nose/rear weight distribution, so you may need to find ways to put your front end on a diet in order to get that rear weight percentage up.
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So I had Mega Man over last night and made sure to feed him lots and get the weight up in the car :-) So I put my car on the scales this morning (making sure to put all the parts back on) and it wa 1122 with a 15 pound weight in the back left. I think I got lucky and bought a super light car.
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OK Ricky Bobby... Didn't you read that I have a weight problem? What's with feeding me? Are you that afraid I'll pass you? Now I'm hoping I do, knowing what kind of a weight advantage you have. Then I'd be able to prove that my sealed engine is better than your open engine, and that I'm obviously more skilled a driver... Well maybe...
Thanks for the vittles,
Mike
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Here is a neat trick for you bigger guys. You will need a wooden dowel about 3' long, a sharpie marker and an accurate way to measure fuel. the car needs to be fairly level.
Thanks Tom. I haven't yet looked to see how much I need in the tank for the 20 laps, and I'm thinking I'll have to try this trick out. Especially after having all that food at Ricky Booby's.
Mike
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RickyB.,
That's one way to "fix" a race ;)
Fatten up the competition! (NO Disrespect Mike) :P
Us "older" >:( guys just strap our walkers to the left side of the car. (OK, Maybe just me)
Admin,
A yardstick works good also.
Good idea on figuring fuel consumption.
Steve
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Well Maga Man brought the wine so I figure between him getting me drunk and me fedding him it should even out :-).
I was trying to figure out the gas usage so that is a great tip. Thank you.
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34 Ford Sedan = 1151 + my Fat @$$ no worries at the scale house............. :-[
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What are all you light weights running for seats, are you running a fire control system?
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RickyB.,
That's one way to "fix" a race ;)
Fatten up the competition! (NO Disrespect Mike) :P
Us "older" >:( guys just strap our walkers to the left side of the car. (OK, Maybe just me)
Admin,
A yardstick works good also.
Good idea on figuring fuel consumption.
Steve
Yardstick, way too long on 34 ford sedan.
mike
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I've got a wide load seat and sign with flashing lights. I've got a fire bottle in the back with nozzles in fuel cell area, under dash, engine compartment.
Mike
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What are all you light weights running for seats, are you running a fire control system?
There is a lightweight seat available from Kirkey that is a real popular choice for cutting down weight. I know Casey Roderick runs this seat. I want to say it ways a total of 19 pounds?
I think the norm is for people to run about 30 lbs over the 1300 pound minimum. I know Billy Fulson does, and Zac Kittle as well.
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OK. I'm going to have to pay attention and look at the bloody seat for real now. I haven't a clue which seat I actually have. I'm lousy on brand names and models, so I'll have to make a real effort and answer properly!
::)
Mike
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Is Tom Q. pickin' on us light weights?
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I need the added weight of the seat and the walker to make up for the burgers and beer I missed out on at Ricky B's.
LOL!!!!!
Steve
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That Steve slays me! He'll do anything to make sure he has the most posts on the site!... Going to have to throw a new one up now Steve...
Mike
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Naw mane, I'm a lightweight myself. The lighter you can get the car, the more lead you can put on where you want it to be :).
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I knew you anorexic boys were starving yourself so you could add lead! I'm going to inhale helium before every race. Just need to pass that tiny tot, Ricky Booby!
;D Mike
Wait, that was 199 posts for me! Gotta cut that out...
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Or was that 200?
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you will need a lot more than a light weight seat to get around me this year Mike ;D
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When you're not looking, I'm filling your frame with lead.
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LOL, and I just picked up a new Kirkey seat. Even lighter than the old one :-). I am going to have to get a lightweight aluminum steering wheel soon too. See if I can't get this car down to 1101 :-)
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http://www.tillett.co.uk/html/car_seat.html
3lb seats, man. Its goin' in my ride!
Pump your chassis full of compressed helium. Thats good for 20lbs off :)
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2.75 kilograms = 6.0627 pounds.
That's a pretty light weight seat!
But; it doesn't include head restraint, shoulder supports, or leg protection.
When I get mine all bolted together, I'll weigh it and let you know where I am at.
That seat is also carbon fiber, and (if you convert the current exchange rate) VERY EXPENSIVE!!!
I think it was 620.00 British Pounds. Don't have a conversion chart for that.
I'm using Butler Built and Kirkey stuff; and have what amounts to a full containment seat.
I would re-think your dollars VS weight savings. Besides; We are going SCCA, and INEX rules don't necessarily apply.
Just my thoughts,
Steve
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You know what, we don't know what Tweety weighs exactly because the one night that the Capt. won the race, he was so excited he forgot to go to the tech shed to be weighed and teched!! True story!! And the tech man came into the pits and told him but he didn't disqualify him for it and no one protested about it because everyone was so excited for us. *L*
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LOL!
That's Funny!!!
It was good to hear about the win, especially with all the bad luck you had with the engine.
Hope the dirt track venture works out better for you.
Steve
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So I guess if they were to weigh the car after a dirt race, it'd be much heavier... That mud can really pack in there.
It'd be interesting to see what it does weigh in the end.
Mike
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1135 empty
1325 with driver
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What model car is yours?
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So I guess if they were to weigh the car after a dirt race, it'd be much heavier... That mud can really pack in there.
It'd be interesting to see what it does weigh in the end.
Mike
If the Pam thing doesn't work, Mike, it might weigh as much as the late models from what I saw at the track yesterday. :D
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It's no wonder Jeff lost a shock then... :D
Mike
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What model car is yours?
34 ford coupe
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Thanks 6th Gear, I'll put this in my earlier post.
Mike
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Hey 6th gear, smile... Your 34 ford coupe is the lightest reported so far, and 3rd lightest of all cars posted so far. :)
Mike
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ya but nobody has challanged the 1105 yet. I was speaking with a dealer the other day who gave me the low down on some of these cars. The new ones he said are light, very light. Also, Mike we were lucky and got some made in 98 which were also very light. The car tim runs is an original car which was not made by 600 but some guy who made the chassis for them. I wonder if it meets the upgrade chassis rule?
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Interesting. So why is my car 60 lbs more than yours? Got to get my car on your scales. See just how much mine weighs compared to yours on the same set of scales.
Tim's car... It's fast, that's all I know.
Mike
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Hey 6th gear, smile... Your 34 ford coupe is the lightest reported so far, and 3rd lightest of all cars posted so far. :)
Mike
Hi Mike,
I smile every time i'm in, around, talking or anything that has to do with my car. And thanks, it is good to know my car is not a tank compared to you guys across the country and you guys north of the border.
I am installing a fire bottle this weekend. so I will have another 8-10 lbs. added this year. It's a must for me now after the scare we had last month here in Cali with one of our drivers getting burned pretty bad.
Keep these types of threads going! this forum is GREAT! Nothing else like it for Legend Drivers.
Thanks,
Josh Geer
6th Geer Racing - So. Cal
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So any time you want to win, come racing up here. Just make sure Ricky Bobby has been sabotaged first since his car is light enough that he can be a nice round 200 lbs, and still get his car weighing 1300... Otherwise, yours will fly!
Mike
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Hi Josh,
Be sure to post some pics of your fire bottle install.
Or better yet; A pictoral "How To" in the thread about fire systems.
Thanks!
Steve
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So just to add to this MegaMan is at my wedding this weekend and is encouraging me to eat more all the time. What gives :)
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Um... You did look real snazzy in that fine suit, but now that you've got the girl it's time to pack it on brother! I need someone in my weight class to compete against!
She'll still love you... Honest!
Now how about some nice fattening pasta? A little creamy sauce on that? Maybe a five cheese fettucini? Come on over for supper, we'll help you get that nice stout figure back!
Mike ;D
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Congratulations Jeremy!
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Thanks Steve,
See what I have to put up with Mike. I mean I am trying to loose 15 lbs and he keeps trying to feed me, But like I said Mike if I put on weight I always have that 15lbs ballaast in my car that I can just pull out. oh I have a better idea, I could loose 15lbs and put another 15lb weight in the back left corner of the car.
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My legend is a 37 chevy sedan with a ford front end , and weighs 1111 lbs. No lead, that's just the car.
Todd
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37 ford sedan early 4 bar car 1141lbs with some lead and full of gas. The next time I put it on the scales I am going to remove the lead. I am 6 3 240 I dont need to drag around any more LBs
Dave
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OK, so I really am driving the Lead Sled! Going to have to see where the extra is.
Mike
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Now that you have that trailer finished and I have a nice new painted garage, thanks to my wife and you and your wife bring it over and we can give it a full setup and see what it weighs
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I have a '37 Chevey Sedan and it weighs 1150 with no lead full fuel and oil. I really dont know what to do to get the weight down, I put in an aluminum steering wheel. Do they make light weight wheels, mine are bassets and feel heavy?
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I remember that there is a minimum weight for wheels, so you don't want to muck around too much with that.
1150 minus the fuel should be around 1130, so that puts you inline with the other 37 chevy's.
Mike
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A legends tire & wheel must weigh a minimum of "36.0 lbs without additional steel, lead, or wheel weights."
I once saw a tech inspector make a competitor remove his wheel weights to weigh the tire/wheel combo. After the removal of those weights the tire did not pass tech...
The dealer then realized that tech inspector was hurting his car count as he was holding specific people to the written word of the book, but letting other slide. It might have been different if the guy he DQ'ed for the tire had dominated the race/season, but it was his first top 5 finish. The tires were a couple of years old and worn out, thus making them too light...
Randy - RPM
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2 bar 1937 ford sedan 1167 lbs with 20 lbs of lead in the rear, and 1/2 tank of fuel, otherwise full of fluid.
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Looks like your car is also inline with other 37's. Let me know if you ever get a weight on your car with the fuel empty and the lead off.
Mike
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The new coupe is in and it is 1111 full of fuel.
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Doesn't everyone just want to hate him? That would make the car somewhere around 1070 lbs without fuel doesn't it?
I'm going to sneak over and repaint your car with lead based paint... 20 coats of it.
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Has anyone weighted a new body and an older body (the thicker one)I heard you can lose some weight that way.
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BTW I have both a newer and older body but no way to weigh it
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I know a guy that has an old body on a coupe and the thing is heavier than my sedan. The fenders are about 3 times as thick as mine. I am sure that all the body work is very heavy..
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I decided to bring this a little further up the thread since it's probably of most value to any checking this thread out.
I've subtracted on average 25 lbs for full tank of fuel. (thunder938 got a subtraction of 26 since he said overflowing...)
What we're looking at so far is
34 Ford Sedan: 1151 (Iracelegends77) (and I thought mine was the lead slead!)
34 Ford sedan: 1147 (My lead sled with fuel it's 1167)
34 Ford sedan: 1139 (BBack58 needs to put his on a diet too)
34 Ford sedan: 1136 (My lead sled after a bit of a diet)
34 Ford sedan: 1107 (RB - that just isn't fair)
34 Ford coupe: 1157 (I don't remember if this with or without fuel or lead... Sure hope it's without!)
34 Ford coupe: 1150 (elimn8u_43)
34 Ford coupe: 1145 (elimn8u's Dad)
34 Ford coupe: 1135 (6th Gear)
34 Ford coupe: 1101 (Go Frank, go!)
34 Ford Coupe: 1097 (It doesn't matter how big your butt is with that car VMS)
37 Ford Sedan: 1127 (djracing)
37 Ford Sedan: 1122 (thunder938)
40 Ford Coupe: 1086 (RB so... When you said full of fuel, did you really mean just covering the foam?)
37 Dodge coupe: 1127 (gramps05)
37 Chevy sedan: 1111 (tch38)
37 Chevy sedan: 1130 (qweedqwag)
37 Chevy sedan: 1130
37 Chevy sedan: 1141
37 Chevy sedan: 1150 (Racingjj)
37 Chevy sedan: 1170 (JGRacing)
Thanks for the info guys. My car went on a diet last winter. Took out some gauges I wasn't looking at anyway, and swapped out the rims for nice light Arrows.
Mike
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My 34 coupe 1175 with a full tank of fuel and no lead. It is currently on a diet and I will let you know the new numbers. Also I will have a 37 ford sedan to put in the mix.
Geoff
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34 ford coupe, 1/3 tank fuel, 1105lbs...then my fat azz gets in :P
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My 34 Ford Sedan with full fuel cell = 1164 lbs. Then as Jim so eloquently said, "Then my fat azz gets in" and I see that I gained 7 lbs over the Winter. ;D
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1315 lbs, with me in. Full fuel/fluids.
1937 Ford Sedan
1171 lbs with out me. Full fluids, 20 lbs lead rear center.
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After removing lead, gauges, and adding new clip and some frame mods ( gussets, lower cowl plates, etc.) over flowing with fuel......
37 Ford Sedan 1148lbs
Now you put me in at 6'3 somewhere around 240 lbs and running with guys and kids that are 100> wet. THATS JUST WRONG....:)
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So I'm going to put you down as 1150 for that ford coupe without fuel. Let me know on the sedan.
Mike
My 34 coupe 1175 with a full tank of fuel and no lead. It is currently on a diet and I will let you know the new numbers. Also I will have a 37 ford sedan to put in the mix.
Geoff
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I know what you mean Thunder, I'm not as tall equally as heavy and there are guys out our track at 155 lbs.
Now you put me in at 6'3 somewhere around 240 lbs and running with guys and kids that are 100> wet. THATS JUST WRONG....:)
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I weighed my old body at 34 lbs. Don't know what a new one weighs. Looking forward to finding out one day though...
Has anyone weighted a new body and an older body (the thicker one)I heard you can lose some weight that way.
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My 1937 chevy sedan is 1195 with full fuel and no lead. Not sure where all of the weight is hiding.
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My 37 Ford sedan is 1134 with a full tank of fuel and no lead. I just picked up my 34 with the new body and paint. Hasen't been on the scales yet. I will keep you posted.
Geoff
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I have a fire bottle, gauges, helmet blower, and trap wheels which adds some weight, but not sure how my car is so much heavier. Maybe I will go to the Texas style oil filter during the off season and get rid of probably 7 or 8 feet of braided line and fittings.
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Not sure what a helmet blower weighs, but the fire bottle can be a bit of a hit. I wouldn't change it though. The trap wheels are costing you 2 lbs a piece of rotating weight. Those are worth changing. If it's an old body, you could have 10 or 15 lbs hiding in there. How much is the battery? If you've got a big battery you could be looking at a fair bit of excess weight. Gauges... Took 5.5 lbs out by removing all my gauges. I wasn't looking at them while racing anyway so why take them along for the ride.
Your car is the ultimate lead sled though. I thought mine was bad, but yours beats it by a large margin!
Mike
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The blower a pound or less and the battery is a smaller gell battery so those are not an issue. The body may be an old one and I had to do a decent amount of repair work to it that probably did not help. I do have braided 10 AN oil lines and an inline filter that probably adds some weight. I might change to that Texas style filter mount for next season so that I can get rid of some of those lines. As I need new wheels, I think I will start going to something lighter. Until I re-read the posts about weights, I did not realize how bad my car was.
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Looks like 600 racing and Inex will try to throw a stick in the wheels as it were. I understand they have turned my nice brand new Arrow wheels into worthless junk for 2010.
In 2010 we'll only be allowed their heavy trap wheels or Basset rims... Why are Bassets going to be allowed? Seems that Basset rents lots of very expensive track time with them, so they've a vested interest in keeping the Basset rims legal. If only Arrow rented the track as much...
Look the new rule book over carefully regarding wheels next year.
As for my nice new Arrow rims... I guess they'll make neat looking wall clocks for my garage.
Mike
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If you have mini-stocks racing up in your area, you might be able to sell the wheels at the end of the season and get some of the money back out of them. Those racers are usually looking for deals on used parts.
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About the weight issue, I was talking to one of our more successful drivers...no, not Jeff or Joey, one of the other ones...anyway, I commented Saturday after the heat races after getting scaled about how much the mud weighed on my car, Im 1307 right now, and after the heat was 1368. He almost soiled himself. His car weighs over 14oo with him in it...guess it takes more than a light car to win multiple National Masters championships.
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I was 1430 after my heat on Saturday.
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Well, guess I'm off this diet!
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34 Ford Coupe
After the races and low on Fuel:
1170 w/o Driver
1345 w/ Driver
The only way to get it right on the scales!!!
Three 20 pounders on it!
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You've got 60lbs of lead strapped to that thing?!
That's one way to lower the C of G.
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1937 Ford Coupe
1118lbs no driver....with maybe 1/2 full of fuel.
Just barely over 1300 w/me in it, full of fuel no lead. Want to add some lead to get more L side weight.
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round top coupe are very light...to bad no head room and I dont fit
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My 34 coupe after re-assembly was 1299 w/ driver with 1/2 tank fuel...yes, its heavier now.
My 37 sedan was 1309 w/ driver and 1/2 tank fuel after assembly.
Both will be getting some LR weight in the near future
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37 ford sedan 1317 w/ driver and full fuel...also adding weight soon (tomorrow)..
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A freakin lot. 1180 without driver....and I weight 215lbs :(
I can't figure out where all that weight is coming from.......the car not me.....I know where my weight came from ::)
Gerad
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Dont worry too much about hitting minimum weight. 4 time National Dirt Champ Eric Barth's car was well over 1400 with driver
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He's right there bigmil. You don't need to be at the minimum weight to beat someone else at that weight. You can have a winning car with a heavier than minimum weight car. Some say that the minimum weight is not the optimal weight for a top performing car, so they add lead to get up to optimal weight. All kinds of schools of thought there.
For my money, I would try to reduce a little weight from the car so you can put it where you want it.
Here are some ideas to ponder.
-Unless you need the fuel for a long race, reduce the fuel load to just enough to run a race with about 10 laps extra. Use a dip stick to check your fuel level before and after a race to see how much you use.
-Check the weight of your battery. Change to a lighter battery if well above the minimum allowed.
-Check the weight of your rims with tires. Change rims if heavier than minimum.
-Check the weight of your brake drums, replace with better drums if heavier than minimum weight.
-Got gauges? You using them? You got time to look at 'em? You shouldn't! Take 'em out. If you're racing, you don't care if it's running too hot, you're going to go 'till it blows! The old gauges are heavy. Took all mine out and saved 5.5 lbs. Do I sometimes wish I knew how much oil pressure I was running? Not me, it gave me too much to think about that wasn't about being faster.
-Got the old fenders? They weigh as much as 3.5 lbs heavier than newer ones sometimes.
-The body is another thing that could be way heavier than current. Then again the newest bodies are made in China, and aren't all that light...
-Got lots of patches in your fibreglass work that is a bit heavy? Grind 'em down and do it right. If you patch it right, your finished patch will be no thicker than the original fibreglass work.
-What kind of fire extinguisher you running? Might be able to shave off 2 - 5 lbs there.
-Got the remote oil system? Might consider going with the texas style oil filter adapter and get rid of the remote oil filter. Shave a few more lbs there in hoses and adapter.
-What size oil cooler you running? Maybe you could get away with a smaller one and stay cool enough?
-All kinds of ways to lighten a car legally. If you think you've got the original lead sled like mine was when I first purchased it, there are lots of things you can look at. This is just a short quick list!
Hope it helps,
Mike the crazy Cannuck!
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Oh yeah, I forgot the cheapest way to drop weight from the car... Lose some from yourself... OK. So that was a low blow. Sorry! ;D
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Got a brand new four bar frame with 34 ford sedan body. Full of fuel 1139# with federal tires
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37 Ford Sedan 4 bar - 1336lbs with driver
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1937 chevy sedan wout led is around the 1400lbs.
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Mines 1311 lbs with me in it with fuel and 2 blocks of lead, 34 sedan 4 bar frame
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34 coupe
1097 full of gas without lead. Lead has been added
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34 ford coupe, 1096 with no gas,no lead
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wonder if the sedans are 2bar or 4 bar? just a thought
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1127 full of gas and it's a four bar.
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1934 ford sedan, 4 bar, old body, 1118 full of fuel and no lead....Im 225 tho
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1934 coupe. 1079 full fuel no led. 1145-50 full fuel + led. weights 1320 with driver + led.
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wonder if the sedans are 2bar or 4 bar? just a thought
4 bar with driver 1400 full gas no led sedan