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LEGENDS => Engine Care & Tuning => Topic started by: 1934sedan on February 21, 2013, 09:29:45 am
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Hello guys are any of you running this oil filter on your texas style adapter? The style that adapts your stock yamaha to a spin on setup.
Thanks
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Hello guys are any of you running this oil filter on your texas style adapter? The style that adapts your stock yamaha to a spin on setup.
Thanks
Most people do not use that adapter for the race car. They utilize the remote adapter to a remote filter and cooler to help keep the engine cool.
If that filter screws on then it will work fine.
Randy - RPM
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The hp-1004 will work with the .adapter, I use a Purolator L20073. The hp is 3.4" long whereas the purolator is 4.7". Several of the racers in my area have switched from the remote to the "Texas" oil filter. Mine came with it.
Robert
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robert
any reason why they go with that system?
joe
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Not too sure really. Like I said, mine came with the Texas filter and didn't seem to have any problems so I stayed with it.
Robert
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To get rid of extra oil lines.
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I run the Texas system, I love it easy to change the filter, I got ride of the extra oil lines and because I had a guy spin out in front of me and the remote oil filter broke off and cracked the clutch cover. It works great I will never go back.
Brian
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Does anyone know if K&N has filter that is longer then the HP-1004?
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Thanks guys!!
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here is the REAL texas filter adapter, that is still manufactured in texas that combines both sides of the oil pump, to up the oil volume at the bearings. We manufacture these to use a common small block chevy filter. this is the same principle as Hank or anybody else who uses a 3 port oil filter adapter, minus 10 pounds of lines and other mess.
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How much for the "real" Texas filter adapter?
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How is it different from the one RPM sells?
Robert
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Other than the fitting added to the side and some teflon tape ( ??? ) I don't see any difference.
Steve
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Is RPM's piece deep enough to be able to tap and screw in a fitting on the side like that?
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Looks the same to me. Since I don't have both parts to measure, I cannot say 100% sure.
Steve
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What is the fitting for?
Robert
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Anyone have an idea what that fitting is for? Also, where can these bought?
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That fitting is to tie in the oil cooler side of the oil pump (lower pressure side) to the main pump. These can be had almost anywhere, like carquest, napa etc.. Hope this helps.
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Since both sides of the oil pump have now combined, how is the oil cooled since the cooler has been eliminated?
Randy - RPM
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Does that fitting run to a cooler, then back into the oil pan? If you shimmed the oil pan valve to have the higher psi, could you do that? Just trying to take a guess here, not really well educated on how to tie the two together....
I always forget, on the back of the engine, does the oil come out of the center outlet in the back, or the one right beside it.
Randy, could your spin on adapter be modified like this? Is there room on the side to tap and put a fitting like that on?
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Randy,
I already have your and am pleased with it except I would like to use the larger filters. Could you have the threads modified to accomadate that?
Thanks,
Robert
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I would say they are running out the front port of the pan (pressure side), through a coller and returning into this fitting on the Texas adapter. Not a fan of this system, trying to depend on the low pressure for all the cooling is not for me. I know lots of guys run the Texas system and like it, I want all the flow through my cooler I can get, including running the top end through the heat sync tubular cooler.
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Dennis,
if you shimmed the oil pressure valve (think that is right?) in the pan to make it higher pressure, would that help this system, or is relying on that to still push all the oil through a cooling system too much?
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Dennis,
if you shimmed the oil pressure valve (think that is right?)
The is not an oil pressure valve in the Yamaha.
You are referring to shimming the oil pressure relief , maximum pressure relief valve, pop-off valve.
There is nothing you can do to that valve to raise the oil pressure.
Randy - RPM
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Randy,
I already have your and am pleased with it except I would like to use the larger filters. Could you have the threads modified to accomadate that?
Thanks,
Robert
Robert, I will find you a big filter you can use on my adapter.
Randy - RPM
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I am sure it would help, I am not an engine guy so the amount of pressure increase I am unsure of.
We do not shim anything, we run the three port adapter and the low volume or pressure side just adds a little extra pressure and rate of flow through the filter and cooler. i talked to G.E. about this years ago when we first started doing it and he said we would have no issues and we have not. You know how the oiling and cooling topic goes, lol. It goes and goes and goes, so whatever works or anyone prefers is just fine and if they like it, great keep doing it.
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I would say they are running out the front port of the pan (pressure side), through a coller and returning into this fitting on the Texas adapter. Not a fan of this system, trying to depend on the low pressure for all the cooling is not for me. I know lots of guys run the Texas system and like it, I want all the flow through my cooler I can get, including running the top end through the heat sync tubular cooler.
Dennis,
That is exactly my point, by the time you get the pressure drop from pumping the oil out & through a cooler how can adding that fitting to the dirty side of the filter benefit the oiling system?
Randy
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Not to start a huge debate.. Just looking for a little advice. I am plumbing a cooling system in my new car, which in your opinion is better, running a two cooler system, or tying the pressure side of the pan into a 3 port remote oil mount, and tying it into the main cooler from the back of the engine and using one?
I see the benefits of having an extra smaller cooler from the pan, but then again you are adding weight and blocking more air from getting to the motor with the extra cooler as well.
You guys know a whole lot more about this than me..... I'll take your advice and run with it. Right now I am in the middle of putting this together, and could go either way.
Thanks for any help/advice.
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My preference is one cooler with the three port adapter and a tubular sync cooler for the top end. Even though i am a dealer I prefer a different cooler than the Setrab, just my opinion.
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Is there anybody on here that was an official sealed engine builder in the past? Besides me?
Im just trying to figure if all this technical advice regarding engines is coming from people in the motorcycle performance engine business such as myself. When i figure out what im dealing with we will discuss oil pressure and how it knows no direction other than leaks or blow off valves. IF YOU ARE COMBINING BOTH SIDES OF THE OIL PUMP AND HAVENT HAD THE COOLER RELIEF BLOCKED, you are starting to bleed pressure above 30psi to the main galley.
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Is there anybody on here that was an official sealed engine builder in the past? Besides me?
Im just trying to figure if all this technical advice regarding engines is coming from people in the motorcycle performance engine business such as myself. When i figure out what im dealing with we will discuss oil pressure and how it knows no direction other than leaks or blow off valves. IF YOU ARE COMBINING BOTH SIDES OF THE OIL PUMP AND HAVENT HAD THE COOLER RELIEF BLOCKED, you are starting to bleed pressure above 30psi to the main galley.
While I was asked to be a sealed engine builder back when Darrell & Fred Meis were in Vegas, I chose not to because of all of the issues I could see up front in the program. So, no I was never an "official" sealed engine builder, but I have built over 200 FJ/XJR engines and I am well versed in performance engine building.
I do build FJ/XJR engines and have been since 1995 with the latest being installed in the car as I type this. I started in Legends racing in 1994 and have won countless national & state INEX championships both personally and with RPM customers.
In fact at least one RPM powered, maintained & tuned car, whether a Legends or Thunder Roadster, has been on the front cover of the INEX rule book consecutively since 2005.
Your statement is correct that if the secondary oil pressure bypass is not shimmed it will open as the main galley oil pressure will cause it to open & bypass oil into the oil pan. One thing that is commonly misunderstood is the fact that many engine builders tell their customers that "shimming" the bypass will increase the oil pressure.
Like, Dennis already mentioned, oil systems have as many opinions on what brand of oil is the best to run...
I choose, run and sell the system that I have been using for years. I maintains proper oil temperatures, pressure and extends engine life.
Randy - RPM