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BANDOLEROS => Setup & Handling => Topic started by: Tom Cole on May 30, 2007, 12:24:40 pm
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A friend of mine just got a Bando for his daughter. Can anyone help me out with some setup numbers for a banked 1/4 mile track.
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Tom,
Any sites to check for Bando info ? I am using a similar set up on my mini trike project. Not having much luck.
Thanks,
Steve
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There is not much out there. I hope some of them will start coming here.
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go to racingjunk.com and look in the asphalt, legend cars. A guy has a book for sale for $150. Were are you located?
Robert Long
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Hi Robert,
I'll check out that link. Thanks!
I'm in Great Falls, Montana
Steve
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Anyone find any setup information yet? I am looking for a starting point.
Geoff
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Hey Geoff!
Been pretty tight security on those Bando cars.
Ranks right up there with UFOs and Aliens. ;D
Steve
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I may need to make a setup book for them once I figure it out!
Geoff
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I think that would be very helpful. There just isn't a lot of info on the net. I'm still searching and will post any info I find.
Steve
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Geoff, I have a well tested set-up for atlanta, it also worked real well at SCS Albany. IF you will EMAIL me at e.bush@1stmech.com i will scan and email back to you. this same set-up worked well at cordele and Mobil Al. I was told by someone in the know that this set-up would work anywhere and to my dis-belief I found it to be a true statement
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Thanks Eric, I sent you a PM. You can email me at geoff@bevanboysracing.ca. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanx
Geoff
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Hey guys, if you don't mind too much, could you share that setup here?
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Good Baseline for a Bando:
100 lb LR Spring
350-400 lb RR Spring
45-47% cross
put left right at the legal limit
put nose around 49%
3 degrees negative camber lf, 4.5 - 5 degrees positive right front.
2 and 4 positive is good for caster. Some people experiment with a little negative lf caster. Some people
lean the rf as far back as possible and then make the lf 2 degrees less than that.
Experiment, take notes.
I can't remember what the legal wheelbase is, but put the right side at the limit, and put the
left 1/4 inch under. Or run it square, or try Left side 1/4 inch longer than the right. Experiment to
see what feeling your driver likes best.
Square the rear axle by hanging plumb bob's off of the axle, and the rear cross member.
Curse the guy who designed these cars.
Can't remember exact measurements of the rear linkages, but I do know you want a 1/2" spacer on the bolt
that connects the axle tube and panhard bar, you want that spacer between the panhard bar and axle tube. From there make sure the axle is square and make sure the panhard bar does not have any bind when it moves through it's full range of motion.
Make sure the front bearings are not put into a bind when they are put into the front hubs. Sometimes those hubs aren't exactly round and they will squeeze the bearing.
Make sure the driver seat is positioned so that they are comfortable and not flopping around in the car. Your driver should be comfortable enough to fall asleep in the seat.
Run drills with your driver, practicing getting out of the car as quickly as possible.
That's about all I can think of for now. Should be a good baseline.
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Tom,
Thanks for the info.!
That's more than I have been able to find anywhere. :o
Not quite sure why people don't want to share info. ???
Good to see you back!
Steve
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I am looking forward to trying it. Just need the snow to melt ;D.
Geoff
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That's cool, just remember, you don't generally win races by showing up with a "good baseline". It's just a starting point. You have to make the right chassis decisions once you get to the track. This is the art of the crew chief :).
Take notes, take notes, take notes. If you aren't sure if it's important, write it down. Write down driver complaints and the adjustments you made to correct them, write down how well your choice fixed the problem. Write down weather. Track Temps, Tire Temps. Tire pressures before and after each run. May seem like a pain at first, but it sure is nice to look back in a notebook a few pages and be able to use past info to make a more informed decision.
Ask lots and lots of questions! :)
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Tom Q.,
Your info is a Great Place to start!
The problem has been that there is not too many people willing to share info.
I think that IF they would; All would benefit.
;)
Steve
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I really like sharing info. It actually can make the crew chief job a bit more challenging. When you get beat by someone who you know uses the same baseline as you, it makes you go back and figure out what you missed!
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Straight Up!!!
I like the way you think!
I don't even have a Bando Car.
Guess you don't have to worry about me!
;)
Steve
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Why do you think nobody wants to talk about Bando Cars?
I mean; Besides lack of understanding..... Why wouldn't people want to get all they can out of their cars? Help their children do the best that they can do.; And promote a sense of Companionship and Friendship?
I got more help back in the '80's running my modified, than I see help for the Bando cars. Had they had some class like this for my kids back then............. I got one of my biggest breaks from the parents of a 16 year old girl. Don't get me wrong; She was a Damn Good Driver! Came up through the kart ranks; Top 3 in State. They didn't have to help me; But chose to give me a rocker arm stud (which I broke. Didn't have a spare. And could have paid for.) I finished 4th - Thanks To Their Help. I'll NEVER Foget Them!!!!
Steve
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A lot of times bandos are an entrance into the motor racing world for parents as well as kids. Any person who gets into racing for the first time automatically believes they get beat by motor. It is so hard to convince beginners that there is more to racing than just the engine :). A person has to make that jump from race fan mentality to racer mentality before they start looking for ways to help the car.
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I seen a web site with a setup for sale.www.lapierracing. com