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LEGENDS => Setup and Handling => Topic started by: qweedqwag on May 22, 2007, 09:34:26 pm
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This is a setup by a very well know Masters driver we will call him CH for short
Springs
LF 250 RF 275
LR 185 RR 200 or 225 depanding on track size and temp
Camber LF 2.5 to 2.75 RF - 4.5 to 4.75
Caster LF O RF +3
73 inches on the right side 73 3/16 on the left
Toe 1/8
left side air 20 right side 26 adjust + or - 1/2 turn in one corner only
ride heights LF 3.75 RF 3.75 LR 4 RR4 +
1/4 inch of stagger
Cross 49.5
Lossen up a car with 1/2 turn in RR only
Tighten up a car with 1/2 turn in the LR only
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Set up is very similar to what we run. Are you running the rear end square, and are you leeding the RF or LF?
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The set up on my sons car is very close to what you posted, we're changing the front springs to 200RF and 225LF,.....the springs that were in the car were to heavy for his style of driving.
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Lead the car with the right front keep the rear end square unless you know what you are doing, if you cock the rear end it will be very loose and you will have to tighten the car up, maybe to much for mid corner however, experimenting is what the name of the game is all about, you might hit on something that work for you.
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My left front is leading my right front similar to the setup posted above. The rear end is squared.
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what type track is this for?? (flat short track or banked large track)
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Any track if you are running a high banked track run a 200 lb spring in theRR if running a flatter track use a 225 in the RR.
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Why would you post someones setup on a web page for everyone to see.It doesn't seem right.
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Because that's what this forum is about; Racers Helping Racers.
Steve
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Amen Freaky, setups aren't locked down tight lipped end all secrets plus I paid for it so that makes me feel I can share if I want.
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the only question I have is that it looks like you are running toe out. why? There are those that I race with who run toe out as well and one guy runs toe in and he won the track championship. I know that doesnt mean much be said that you want to do everything you can to get the car to turn left and running toe out makes no sence to him either.
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We run the toe at 1/8" out so that when the suspension travels, under braking, it evens out at zero. You can make micro adjustments in the toe to change "feel", but be very cautious! You can make it twitchy really easily!
JB
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Amen Freaky, setups aren't locked down tight lipped end all secrets plus I paid for it so that makes me feel I can share if I want.
Hey qweedqwag, where is that setup for sale? I am curious... because I doubt the person you are referring to would sell his setup to people. Even if he did, did you buy it with the availability of you being able to distribute? It just seems odd he would ... because then why sell if you are going to sell to one and let everyone else get it for free?
I just don't find posting someone else's setup, unless that person gave express written permission, to be ethical. It technically isn't legal either, depending on circumstance.
Nothing against ya qweedqwag. If you were posting your own setup, that is one thing. Posting someone elses is a bit rude, don't ya think?
Oh, and HI. Nice forum setup here. :)
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This forum is all about sharing information. And the fact that he posted someone ele's setup should not make any difference. Setup's are all based on driver input anyways. The Clay Hair setup that everyone seems to want does not work for most drivers and the car would be very scary to drive. I think the posting was to give people and newbies a place to start with a setup. There are 160 poeple on this forum and I am sure there are 160 different ideas on setup.
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Purchased set up.
When you PURCHASE a set-up in written form it is not legal to publish that information to the public for free, now, depending on how that information has been protected would reflect the level of legality.
I have helped alot of people for free, but I really dont appreciate it when my info is passed around. iIhave spent years and lots of money to develop my info, since I am a dealer I often help my parts customers with set-up and other advice, but these are my customers. The information regarding the set up that has been posted is basic info, there is alot more to a true set-up than wheel base, springs, etc. there are alot of measurements and details in the geometry of the car that make a set-up work. Good luck.
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Purchased set up.
When you PURCHASE a set-up in written form it is not legal to publish that information to the public for free, now, depending on how that information has been protected would reflect the level of legality.
I have helped alot of people for free, but I really dont appreciate it when my info is passed around. iIhave spent years and lots of money to develop my info, since I am a dealer I often help my parts customers with set-up and other advice, but these are my customers. The information regarding the set up that has been posted is basic info, there is alot more to a true set-up than wheel base, springs, etc. there are alot of measurements and details in the geometry of the car that make a set-up work. Good luck.
I agree.
I am not here to start arguements, and I do not have a problem with qweedqwag. I may or may not know qweedqwag ... don't know your real name. But I do think posting someone else's setup is not the best thing to do, especially if you purchased it.
Think of it this way ...
Say you go out and buy a CD of your favorite band. You are supporting them by buying it. Then you find out someone else bought it and uploaded the whole album to the net for free for everyone else to download. How fair is that to the creators of the CD that 200,000 people got it free when they should have paid $15 each for it? How fair is it to you that you paid for it and others got it for free?
The difference would be how it was purchased and with what stipulations. If there was a stipulation that anyone who bought it can distribute it as they see fit to anyone, then this post is completely ok. If that stipulation wasn't there, regardless if stated or not, generally it is implied that sharing sensitive purchased information is not acceptable.
I have ZERO problem with people sharing their setups or helping out others. In fact, I think it is a good thing that people are helping others. There needs to be more of that in the racing world. However, if the author or creator of the setup listed hasn't authorized their stuff to be publically distributed, I think it is not only ethically wrong to do so, but actually is legally not the right thing either. There is a lot of legal ramifications that could occur from this, depending on the situation. I don't want to see anyone get in trouble here.
qweedqwag, again, no disrespect towards you and I am not trying to cause conflict or an arguement. I just disagree with the posting of that setup, UNLESS you purhased the rights to publish it publically or you have the creator's approval. If that is the case, ROCK ON! :)
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If a setup guy is worth his salt, then the small fee you pay to get his help is worth it. I do not agree with, nor do I condone anyone republishing someone else's setup, even if giving credit. I bought, and recommend Keven Yeatts setup. I think I paid about $75 and consider it a bargain. I won't post his setup numbers here. I don't run my car specifically according to his setup anyway, so if I gave my numbers, they would be different.
There is plenty that can be discussed, such as baslines and adjustment to make from that baseline given varying circumstances, and if you pay someone to set up your car, and you report those measurements here, there is no copywrite issue.
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The title of this topic of this thread is " a good start ", being it's gotten way off topic and probably won't get back I'm locking this thread.
Later,
Al