LegendsRacer - Legends & Bandolero Racing Forum
LEGENDS => Brakes => Topic started by: chadvarner85 on December 02, 2012, 02:27:38 pm
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Anyone heard any recent news on the news brakes?
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As Posted by Dennis on another forum yesterday;
"azbycxkkk Sat Dec 1, 2012 2:17 pm
TYhe rear brakes are on hold. The fronts will happen in the beginning of the
year, I hear the car brakes a whole lot better."
I am not sure what the discussion is on the rear brakes, but they already have a rear disc brake package which are standard equipment on the thunder roadster.
Randy - RPM
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Anybody have any pics of the proposed system.... Kind of curious of the quality of the parts
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It's Wilwood, so it wont be junk
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I talked to a rep from Wilwood on Friday @ PRI and they did not know anything about an upcoming Legends car package but said that I was the third person to ask him about it that day. He did show me the caliper that he thought would be the right choice and it was a nice piece. He said that caliper runs about $70/ea.
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John Haggan from USLC says it's a Wilwood system, thats all I know.
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He said that caliper runs about $70/ea.
That is until it has the INEX stamp...
Randy - RPM
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I have not seen a Wilwood caliper under $90 new. My experience.
I invite Dennis to please repost his original post here on the site about the proposed change.
To the best of my understanding, this is still in the works, and would be an optional change and not a rule.
As always, I suggest you contact INEX and let them know what you think (pro or con).
Steve
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SORRY GUYS BEEN TIED UP. I was told last week to expect the kit available January or so. The kit was tested and I am told the car braked beautiful. It is Wilwwod, I am guessing arond $350 to $400. I promise I will offer a discount to anyone from this site, oh hell I will help ANYONE!!!!! They Are waiting until all the components are in and they want the quanity in stock to serve EVERYONE. THESE ARE NOT NOT MANDATORY!!!!!!
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While they might not be mandatory, if you don't get them you will behind.....this "INEX"pensive class of racing continues to increase the cost of being competitive....sad
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Good, i am alot more interested in spending money on brakes which will help me race better, then radios which really won't make a difference
Dan
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These are being offered to racers in response to so many paying $800.00 plus for front brakes from others. Remember, the caliper on these cars is from a 79 celica, it will not be available forever as is. I think you will spend $350 or so and compete or be better than those with the existing aftermarket stuff. To me more importantly, maintainingthis syatem will be ALOT cheaper than the current. You can still choose to run your current stuff, the new stuff will be as good as the aftermarket stuff, just cheaper. So if you like what you hAVE KEEP IT!
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These are being offered to racers in response to so many paying $800.00 plus for front brakes from others. Remember, the caliper on these cars is from a 79 celica, it will not be available forever as is. I think you will spend $350 or so and compete or be better than those with the existing aftermarket stuff. To me more importantly, maintainingthis syatem will be ALOT cheaper than the current. You can still choose to run your current stuff, the new stuff will be as good as the aftermarket stuff, just cheaper. So if you like what you hAVE KEEP IT!
Dennis,
I am sorry, I just to not see your logic. The truth to the matter is USLCI is loosing money on brakes and they need to get that money back into their hands.
Currently, you can rebuild a brake caliper for the price of a kit of around $6.95-12.00ea.
There are many other brake caliper & pad options out there other than the high end BM parts which are not required to be competitive. I have been doing it for years on both my cars as well as customer cars.
How is the maintenance of this new system going to by cheaper than $20.00 caliper rebuild or a $29.00 rotor.
USLCI is already making their own 2 1/4" caliper, so making a 2" or 2 1/8" should not be any issue.
Randy - RPM
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Well I for one welcome a racing brake system for a race car.
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These are being offered to racers in response to so many paying $800.00 plus for front brakes from others. Remember, the caliper on these cars is from a 79 celica, it will not be available forever as is. I think you will spend $350 or so and compete or be better than those with the existing aftermarket stuff. To me more importantly, maintainingthis syatem will be ALOT cheaper than the current. You can still choose to run your current stuff, the new stuff will be as good as the aftermarket stuff, just cheaper. So if you like what you hAVE KEEP IT!
Dennis,
I am sorry, I just to not see your logic. The truth to the matter is USLCI is loosing money on brakes and they need to get that money back into their hands.
Currently, you can rebuild a brake caliper for the price of a kit of around $6.95-12.00ea.
There are many other brake caliper & pad options out there other than the high end BM parts which are not required to be competitive. I have been doing it for years on both my cars as well as customer cars.
How is the maintenance of this new system going to by cheaper than $20.00 caliper rebuild or a $29.00 rotor.
USLCI is already making their own 2 1/4" caliper, so making a 2" or 2 1/8" should not be any issue.
Randy - RPM
I believe he was getting at this system being cheaper than another after market system
Dan
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Randy, thank you for the way you post things! Its very good conversation!! You are totally right. A)they see BM charging $550.00 for calipers, $150.00 for pads, $100.00 for rotors and $100.00 for shoes. PLUS there is more, there is a core charge and if you want the rotors polished. B) The stock caliper is becoming harder to get, more expensive and it is what it is a 79 celica caliper. C)USLC said hey why dont we do it better, we will sell it, we will profit and we wont gouge people. Randy you and I rebuild and sell calipers, we do them cheap and they are decent, BUT the number of complaints USLC gets constantly in regards to the BM stuff is alot. If you were USLC what would you do? I gues that is my question to you, if you were USLC what would you do? Thanks.
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Randy, thank you for the way you post things! Its very good conversation!! You are totally right.
A)they see BM charging $550.00 for calipers, $150.00 for pads, $100.00 for rotors and $100.00 for shoes. PLUS there is more, there is a core charge and if you want the rotors polished.
B) The stock caliper is becoming harder to get, more expensive and it is what it is a 79 celica caliper.
C)USLC said hey why dont we do it better, we will sell it, we will profit and we wont gouge people. Randy you and I rebuild and sell calipers, we do them cheap and they are decent, BUT the number of complaints USLC gets constantly in regards to the BM stuff is alot.
If you were USLC what would you do? I gues that is my question to you, if you were USLC what would you do? Thanks.
C) I hope not, but unfortunately just like many other items, once they become an INEX product they cost more that the one without the INEX label; only time will tell.
To answer you question; I don't know what I would do, that is not something I have given much thought to.
I can tell you I offer and/or steer all of my customers to a cheaper alternative that performs at the same level, or better than anything else on the market.
It all really all boils down to the "buy it" mentality of the person involved in this series. Back in the 70 & 80's when we were racing karts, we called it the pipe of the month club. Every month someone would start winning with a new expansion chamber and everyone would run out and buy the one the winner had.
My dad, decided after a few pipe purchases and we did not get any faster...work on what we have and get faster. Next thing you know everyone had the pipe we were running. I am not one to follow the leader as I want to be the leader, so I research, test and work on my program. Sure, I might have to use a more expensive, better performing brake pad, but there are many other options out there other than BM.
I am still trying to see how this is going to save money over what we have now. If someone whats to buy BM calipers, that is their "option" and they should not be complaining. If they did their own work they would see there are other, more affordable "options" available to them that offer the same or better performance. It just goes back to what I said earlier..."The winner runs it, so I have to have it" mentality. Buy it, buy it buy it...Instant results is what everyone wants.
For now I am going to keep my stock stuff and I will evaluate the new stuff when I see it and it comes out. I will make my decision to buy that "option" then. It will give me great pride to keep using what I have and beating the guys with the new "option". I am sure at one point or another, I will have to convert over because the "option" should be of newer design and will allow a better performing system and that might happen overnight...only time will tell.
Dennis, If you ever have any issue getting a caliper let me know, I can have them normally the same day I order them. I also stock the pistons & seal kits. Once the piston has been replaced the caliper will last forever...
Randy - RPM
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does anyone know how much the new calipers weigh?
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I was at USLC today. The new brakes are nice! They are simple, they are nice and will be easy to install. I personaly sa w several calipers they tested, Brembo, Brakeman and Wilwood. Cool stuff, looks like they belong on a race car. I actually think the overall weight will be slightly less than what we have now, we are talking about like a whole pound. LOL, someone asked about the weight, so I wanted to respond to that.
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Dennis,
What are the Wilwood calipers they are investigating? Dynalite, Dynapro.... ???
Just curious.
Steve
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Sorry Steve, I was not able to handle them to get a close enough look.
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Thanks! Was just curious.
The dwarf car guys used to use the Dynalites and have moved on to Dynapro and some other brands.
Will be interesting to see what they come up with.
Steve
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Dennis do you know when they are going to be available? I was talking to John Haggan the other day about an unrelated matter but ask him about them and he said that they would be ready but I couldn't remember when. I need them by the winter nationals. Is that going to happen? Thanks
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I am not sure , I hear January. My PAST experience tells me you would not have them in time to install them and run them mid Feb..See you in Auburndale!!!!!
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If they are already available, why are they waiting to make them available for sale? I was just going to call and ask before reading this. Will several someones calling make it happen any sooner?
Robert
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any idea of cost also?
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If they are already available, why are they waiting to make them available for sale? I was just going to call and ask before reading this. Will several someones calling make it happen any sooner?
Robert
Most likely because they want to stamp INEX on them so they can charge more for them. :)
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I believe they want to have large quanities available. In the past they have starting to sell new products and did not have enough to get them to everyone that wanted them, it was a mess. I think this has alot to do with them waiting.
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Seen new brake calipers today was told they are the one used on rear of thunder roadster the pads are real small like Brando pads and first set of pads sent with setup wore grooves on rotors so 600 sent second set of pads to try have to have mounting plate on rear of spindle
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Does anyone have any follow up info on these brakes… if they were thunder roadster brakes wouldn't they be available now?
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Any news on the new brakes? Winter Nationals done come and gone.
Robert
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As of Feb 4, they said 4-6 weeks.
That was last I heard
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I heard mid-March a couple of weeks back when I was at US Legends.
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From the welcome letter from John Haggan on the 600 website.
The Parts department is proud to announce the arrival of a new front Wilwood disc brake package. Order yours today!! We also have already released the new forged spindles for sale.
Randy - RPM
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The "arrival" part of that sentence is in theory only. The brakes are still on order and will not be available until early april I am told. (7:30 a.m. 03/08/13). I read it the same way and wanted to place an order, they are not there, so we will wait a little longer.
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now that they will have the fronts for sale , When will t hey get rid of t hose outdated rears????i know the thunder roadster has them, but any news for these????how much are the front kits?????and how much are the forged spindle kits????and how much i s the 1/4 steering plate ????208-353-2283 frank
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now that they will have the fronts for sale , When will t hey get rid of t hose outdated rears????i know the thunder roadster has them, but any news for these????how much are the front kits?????and how much are the forged spindle kits????and how much i s the 1/4 steering plate ????208-353-2283 frank
Frank,
The message posted on the USLCI website is a direct quote from John Haggan saying the parts have "arrived". So maybe it is time to call him directly and see what the cost of these items are and if they are actually available. I know Dennis said the word "arrival" was " in theory", but that is another bad choice of words by the management. That is unless they just want you to pre-order them for shipment when they arrive. If that was the case, then it should have been posted something like this; The new INEX/Wilwood brake package has been tested and is being manufactured, the kit will be available in "early April" and we are now accepting pre-orders, call today...
I know for a fact the forged spindles are in stock and have been for months, but they refused to sell them until the depleted the inventory of the cast spindle they had on the shelf.
Randy - RPM
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I agrre Randy, confusing to me. I talked to Ashley at 7:15 A.M. this morning in regards to another issue, he told me they were not there and they were coming in early April. The spindles have been around a while, they only sold them in kit form in the beginning as they were getting rid of the old style bases before they started selling the new ones individually.
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The new spindle bases are being sold seperately now, I have them in stock.
Don't know why they need $11.00 more for each one, but it is what it is
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Jim, they are telling me the material type and process is the reason for that increase. You may know this- I believe the old were cast? The new are Forged? (or visa versa)
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Jim/Dennis
So they are 11.00 more ???And how much is that????I have everything now, But want to maybe convert to the new forged type.. so how much for just the spindle aluminum part?????how much for the 1/4 " steering plate, and are the brakes an Even $400.00?????or does anyone really know yet??
I s there any chance they are going to get rid of those dinasour rear drums any time soon??????For I know they are available for the thunder cars. why not the legends ??????thanks frank
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The forged spindle base is $84.99.
Rack plate is $8.00.
Still no price on the brakes to the best of my knowledge
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I called us legends cars today out of curiosity, I was told they would be right around the 400 dollar mark. They are trying to get a rough idea of how many to order for their first order.
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They are trying to get a rough idea of how many to order for their first order??? As Randy said, they might as well order 3000 sets of them as once one guy in the field has them, everybody else seems to have to have them too... ::)
Money, money, and more money$$$$$
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I called us legends cars today out of curiosity, I was told they would be right around the 400 dollar mark. They are trying to get a rough idea of how many to order for their first order.
When I called at the beginning of February, they were 6 weeks out and being produced.
Now they told you they haven't made their first order?
It is a brand new caliper made just for Legends cars by Wilwood, there is no way they were being produced if an order has not been placed by USLC.
One of us got bad information...
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What do you get for that $400? Is it going to be a kit?
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I was told that the $400 was everything house needed, pads included.
Robert
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They have been ordered and we are the order is being processed. It will be in the next 30 days that they will be available.